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I know what you're saying Natureboy. Hubby and I wouldn't have ever considered even trying this until after his accident. That accident was the catalyst that helped us trust each other and communicate to the point where we were able to take the step into swinging. We had never had anyone else before each other - I was in fact a virgin until 24 and hubby until 21. It also made it easier that the first couple we met were very easy going. We met them with the understanding that nothing except talking and getting to know each other would happen. Once we started to get to know they we all decided to use the hot tub. They gave us the choice of going in our suits or nude. We chose nude and things just naturally progressed. We had some bumps on the way but were able to reconcile things and got back into swinging again.
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"Always learn the rules so that you can break them properly." Dalai Lama
My Karma just ran over your Dogma. 
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