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takrupp · 10-24-2003, 06:23 AM

Ill echo that I don't think the success of the Californian recall is a vote for the Republican mandate, especially not the the Bush flavor of Republican. As successful as the Republican party is there seems to be some party fragmentation: You have your Neo-cons (Bush style big gov, "moral," interventionalist), Socially liberal / fiscally consvervative (Ah-hold) and then the Old school that still lurk somewhere (Nixon/Eisenhower types). While potentially I think California could vote republican if the reps ran a social liberal; however, there is NO WAY the south will allow that kind of hijacking of the good ol' Repbulican party. I still see California voting dems, pretty much no matter what (Everyone remember that Diane Feinstein, like the most ardently liberal member of congress, is still the most popular politician in Cali).

As for this comment:
"The president, after all, is a graduate of both Yale and Harvard, and the governor-elect is a self-made immigrant businessman. It is possible for very intelligent people not to be snobs about it, not to adopt the pose of an "intellectual," and that would seem to describe both Bush and Schwarzenegger."

While I dont want to sound like the "liberal intelligencia" I know Im going to: Bush didnt exactly earn those Ivy degrees like most of us would have liked him to have. Not only did his aristocratic background get him into Andover (a feeder high school for Ivys), but furthermore, his lineage basically openned the door for him to Yale (I believe the previous two generations of Bushes also went to Yale...and Andover). The fact he pulled C's is also a little disheartening. As for Harvard Business school, it admits pretty much on a "how powerful is your name basis" while not entirely, it definitely helps to bring that to the table for, as they describe, "to give a class of future business leaders with a diverse background of experience."

Not to say that Bush is stupid though, he is an incredibly brilliant politician with excellent person to person people skills, but my opinion is that he represents the old money feeding candidates into the poilitical system. (To be fair, The Gore's are another family with this trait). If you guys need me to rebuke the Arnold characterization, I will, but I think that one is pretty easy to figure out.

T

PS Arnie is also married to a Kennedy...Strange bedfellows?

10-24-2003, 06:23 AM	#39 (permalink)
takrupp Upright	Ill echo that I don't think the success of the Californian recall is a vote for the Republican mandate, especially not the the Bush flavor of Republican. As successful as the Republican party is there seems to be some party fragmentation: You have your Neo-cons (Bush style big gov, "moral," interventionalist), Socially liberal / fiscally consvervative (Ah-hold) and then the Old school that still lurk somewhere (Nixon/Eisenhower types). While potentially I think California could vote republican if the reps ran a social liberal; however, there is NO WAY the south will allow that kind of hijacking of the good ol' Repbulican party. I still see California voting dems, pretty much no matter what (Everyone remember that Diane Feinstein, like the most ardently liberal member of congress, is still the most popular politician in Cali). As for this comment: "The president, after all, is a graduate of both Yale and Harvard, and the governor-elect is a self-made immigrant businessman. It is possible for very intelligent people not to be snobs about it, not to adopt the pose of an "intellectual," and that would seem to describe both Bush and Schwarzenegger." While I dont want to sound like the "liberal intelligencia" I know Im going to: Bush didnt exactly earn those Ivy degrees like most of us would have liked him to have. Not only did his aristocratic background get him into Andover (a feeder high school for Ivys), but furthermore, his lineage basically openned the door for him to Yale (I believe the previous two generations of Bushes also went to Yale...and Andover). The fact he pulled C's is also a little disheartening. As for Harvard Business school, it admits pretty much on a "how powerful is your name basis" while not entirely, it definitely helps to bring that to the table for, as they describe, "to give a class of future business leaders with a diverse background of experience." Not to say that Bush is stupid though, he is an incredibly brilliant politician with excellent person to person people skills, but my opinion is that he represents the old money feeding candidates into the poilitical system. (To be fair, The Gore's are another family with this trait). If you guys need me to rebuke the Arnold characterization, I will, but I think that one is pretty easy to figure out. T PS Arnie is also married to a Kennedy...Strange bedfellows? Last edited by takrupp; 10-24-2003 at 06:30 AM..