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ok... so<rant-ish> my main summerization here for my point, which, after reading over my post, is muddled, is that if the band is not growing into them selves, branching out and getting personal fulfillment out of what they are doing, that is selling out in the worst way. You can tell in their music when they have exhausted the crap that the producers are saying is best for them (in the short run). sad thing to see.
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