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billege · 08-03-2003, 10:26 PM

And YOU are excusing his ignorance.

BBtB, you are letting this man escape responsibility for his own actions. This disease is crippling the 21st century in America, and the world.

Of course it's not HIS fault...(extreme sarcasm)

I don't need to act like a 6 year old to support my stance.

I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he honestly has strong beliefs. Fine, good for him.

The meat was labeled, damn it, but he "says he didn't realize "country style ribs'' means pork."

When did ignorance not only become an excuse, but when did it shift the responsibility to the other party as well?

He's an immigrant. That means he's going to have to make the effort to live in a foreign society. He gets to have his beliefs, and he gets to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for them! That means if he doesn't know what the label means, he needs to ask.

Period. End of story. There are no excuses, addendums, or alternatives.

He saw the LABEL. The label said "COUNTRY STYLE RIBS." He ASSUMED that meant beef.

HE didn't ask what it meant.
His mistake, he needs to own it. The rest of you need to stop trying to excuse it.

"..why, if Tabari were so devout, he was trying to buy regular beef instead of meat that is halal, or prepared according to Islamic law. Food Maxx carries a small selection of such meats. (emphasis mine).

If the wifey usually does the shopping I can understand him not being used to the labels. However, if the store already accommodates his beliefs by carrying Halal meats, he could have compensated for his ignorance by playing it safe and staying in the Halal section.
He didn't, did he? In fact, I think this guy was out to save money. I'll bet that the Halal meat is a shade more expensive.

But, this dude was maybe not able to swing it; but, apparently his wife can buy it, so who knows what the money issue is.
Either way, this guy is not as careful as someone truly devout would be. That's HIS fault.

"Sometimes, he buys meat at regular stores and blesses the food himself."

"Mavani, from the Islamic cultural center, said one school of Sunni Muslim thought permits Muslims to eat non-halal meat as long as they make a prayer over the meal."

"It's not highly encouraged,'' Mavani said, ``but permissible.''

I'll tell you something else too, he was going to make
"a delicacy called paya, traditionally made with cow's feet."

COWS FEET does not translate to "country style ribs!" I can understand not knowing what "country style ribs" means. What I can't understand is buying "ribs" when you need COWS FEET for your delicacy.

I also can't understand asking a simple question, if such an important belief is an issue.

I also can't understand why so many people stopped believing in personal responsibility.

I just don't understand.

08-03-2003, 10:26 PM	#22 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	And YOU are excusing his ignorance. BBtB, you are letting this man escape responsibility for his own actions. This disease is crippling the 21st century in America, and the world. Of course it's not HIS fault...(extreme sarcasm) I don't need to act like a 6 year old to support my stance. I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he honestly has strong beliefs. Fine, good for him. The meat was labeled, damn it, but he <b>"says he didn't realize "country style ribs'' means pork."</b> When did ignorance not only become an excuse, but when did it shift the responsibility to the other party as well? He's an immigrant. That means he's going to have to make the effort to live in a foreign society. He gets to have his beliefs, and he gets to TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for them! That means if he doesn't know what the label means, he needs to ask. Period. End of story. There are no excuses, addendums, or alternatives. He saw the LABEL. The label said "COUNTRY STYLE RIBS." He <i><b>ASSUMED</i></b> that meant beef. HE didn't ask what it meant. His mistake, he needs to own it. The rest of you need to stop trying to excuse it. <b>"..why, if Tabari were so devout, he was trying to buy regular beef instead of meat that is halal, or prepared according to Islamic law. <i>Food Maxx carries a small selection of such meats.</i></b> (emphasis mine). If the wifey usually does the shopping I can understand him not being used to the labels. However, if the store already accommodates his beliefs by carrying Halal meats, he could have compensated for his ignorance by playing it safe and staying in the Halal section. He didn't, did he? In fact, I think this guy was out to save money. I'll bet that the Halal meat is a shade more expensive. But, this dude was maybe not able to swing it; but, apparently his wife can buy it, so who knows what the money issue is. Either way, this guy is not as careful as someone truly devout would be. That's HIS fault. <b>"Sometimes, he buys meat at regular stores and blesses the food himself." "Mavani, from the Islamic cultural center, said one school of Sunni Muslim thought permits Muslims to eat non-halal meat as long as they make a prayer over the meal." "It's not highly encouraged,'' Mavani said, ``but permissible.''</b> I'll tell you something else too, he was going to make <b>"a delicacy called paya, traditionally made with cow's feet.</b>" COWS FEET does not translate to "country style ribs!" I can understand not knowing what "country style ribs" means. What I can't understand is buying "ribs" when you need COWS FEET for your delicacy. I also can't understand asking a simple question, if such an important belief is an issue. I also can't understand why so many people stopped believing in personal responsibility. I just don't understand. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend." Last edited by billege; 08-03-2003 at 10:28 PM..