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Old 07-27-2003, 10:27 PM   #27 (permalink)
Mael
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Quote:
Originally posted by fantazio
no i just think training for endurance is a myth since i only train for looks instead of real life situations.
and i ment doing high reps = tone or definition = myth
i think this is quite possibly the dumbest thing i have ever read. congratulations!!! here, have a cookie.



Quote:
Originally posted by fantazio
i didnt finish my post. anyway go read a book such as High Intensity Training the Mike Mentzer way.. great information
and there are scientific studies that show that strength is directly related to mass. meaning.. you get stronger,you get bigger.. its what happens. why do you think bodybuilders aim for increasing weight often? because thats how you get bigger
there are many books out there,i dont mean to sound arrogant,i just didnt expect this kind of "mythology" on a fitness forum. but then again its more like a porn forum.
as i said before go to http://forum.bodybuilding.com if you want real advice not stuff like "do high reps to get tonage" and "you can get stronger but not bigger"
okay, lets address a few points here...

1. i haven't read mike's book, i looked it up on amazon. looks interesting based on the comments made on it, i might check it out. but based on what you've said and what comments people left on it said, you're an "extreme" group and to me, that makes your opinions almost completely invalid to me. this is why: you guys keep saying "this is the only way, nothing else works, yadda yadda." or at least that seems to be the gist of it. you espouse (sp?) all the virtues of your method, show all of the negitives of the others (even siting studies), but any time a study is done that either says your way isn't the best or that another way is good/better than your way, you ignore or say that it was done with faulty methods. a good example of this would be militant vegans and PETA people. so basically, you don't come off as very open minded or knowledgable about what your saying because you willfully ignore other information.

2. bigger = stronger, stronger = bigger. you won't hear me argue that. strength is proportional to the cross-section diameter of the muscle fiber, so to get stronger, you either increase your fibers in size or in number, either way, the muscle gets bigger. but, for someone who doesn't lift often, they'll find that they'll get stronger without getting bigger as their motor neuron bundles learn to sync up and act as one. initially, you try to lift a heavy weight, and so many of the bundles are recruited to lift it, and as you do it more often, your body adjust to start recruiting more and more of them, so the person seemingly gets stronger. also, you can get stronger without putting on a whole lot of size. the difference in size of someone who can bench 100lbs. and 130lbs. isn't much.

3. you seem to be responsible for most of the "mythology" in this forum. what pretty much everyone else has said has been shown to be true, you just don't seem to like it so you ignore it (see 1).

4. high reps = tone. you don't agree? too bad. you're wrong. muscle tone is, by definition, the ability for a muscle to contract over long periods of time. that might not be 100% right word for word, but i'll pull out my physiology book and give you the exact def, page, book edition, etc. if you want.

that is all for now. i think it's time to sleep.
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