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Old 07-07-2003, 12:40 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Am I missing something?
Yes, you're missing the point that if you give up the felony charge, the whole e-mail comes crashing down. I'll take it on point by point:

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Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting
all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective
Service Number 326 46 228. Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964.
True, and certainly not a problem. Clinton did this and then entered Georgetown University, which gave him an automatic deferment.

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Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968. Bill Clinton ordered
to report for induction on July 28, 1969. Bill Clinton dishonored order
to report and is not inducted into the military.
Mostly false. Clinton graduated from Georgetown and therefore was reclassified automatically in March. He publicly opposed the war in vietnam AND had a scholarship in england. So, he pulled some political strings and got the draft board delay his eligibility. As the article says, this was special treatment, but hardly unusual for a Rhodes scholar. Bush receive similar treatment with his entry into the Texas National Guard. I have no idea what "dishonored order to report" means but I see no "order to report" happening at this point.

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Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army
Reserves on August 07,1969 under authority of Col. E. Holmes. Clinton
signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment. Bill Clinton fails
to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
Partially true. Clinton got permission directly from Holmes not to report. Holmes corroborates this in the article.

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Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with
Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes. Clinton now AWOL and
subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report...remain liable for induction'.
False. In fact, clinton requested to have his deferment removed and inserted himself back into the draft voluntarily. Bush was certainly more AWOL than clinton, in that he failed to report for his service and was already on active duty. AWOL itself is a misnomer here. You can't be on leave when you aren't serving in the first place.

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Bill Clinton's birth date lottery number is 311, drawn December 1,1969,
but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction is
INELIGIBLE!
The facts are true, his name was drawn, but the end part is untrue. See above.

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Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice
under Public Law 90-40.
False. Again, the accusation is untrue. If he was a "fugitive from justice" how could he run for congress? he wasn't exactly hard to find. This is just silly.

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Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.
False. Again, see above. They must have some pretty inept military police in Arkansas to not find "fugitive" clinton.

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Bill Clinton receives pardon on
January 21, 1977, from Carter. Bill Clinton is the FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.
False. As i said before, not only is this false, but it's also misleading. Jimmy carter passed legislation pardoning draft dodgers. This legislation didn't apply to clinton since he didn't dodge the draft.



If you grant, which you admitted, that clinton did not commit a felony, then he also did not violate law 90-40, whatever that is, which is the felony he was accused of committing. If he didn't violate law 90-40, then all of the points unravel.

As I said before, Clinton pulled strings to avoid the draft. Bush pulled strings to get out of his enlisted Texas National Guard service, and pulled strings to get his cushy pilot assignment in the first place. Out of the two of them, Bush looks more guilty to me. He walked out on his unit and wasn't seen for more than a year.

It looks like neither of them committed a crime. Out of the two, though, Bush looks like the one who is less patriotic. Clinton had publicly stated that he opposed the vietnam war, like many americans, and he was voting his conscience. Bush looks more like a spoiled little rich kid who didn't want to follow through on his obligations.

I can't believe that you're so proud that you can't admit that you're wrong. Clinton was no angel, but that e-mail is some of the worst yellow journalism I've seen. Next you'll be bringing up the "hanoi jane fonda" myth and trying to defend it.
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