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BooRadley · 07-01-2003, 09:33 PM

Harley Davidson is the ultimate triumph of style over substance. If harley riders really gave a shit about performance, there would be 0 harleys sold. Let's face it, harley davidson motors haven't changed much in 50 years. They just now introduced a water cooled motor ( good job guys, japanese have been water cooling bikes for > 20 years ). Even a completely modified harley motor produces in the 115 horsepower area, and that's fuckin 1600cc. Wow. Stock 1200cc harleys produce ~65 horspower. Wow. I shat my pants. There is dozens upon dozens of non-harley motors producing that output with half the displacement. Good job harley engineers.Even alot of the japanese cruisers are bumping out more horsepower than the harley.

People always have "bought into" the image of motorcycles, just like people "buy into" the image of cars. Get over it, it's not going to change. If you are a harley rider who thinks that harleys are being ridden by more and more posers, ask yourself why you bought the harley in the first place. I'm guarenteeing that "performance", "economy", or "reliability" weren't in your list of reasons. Unless you know absolutely nothing whatsover about motorcycles and have never seen anything other than a harley. But clearly a 250 Rebel would be a more economical and reliable cruiser, and a VTX(or any number of models...) would be a better performing one. It's perfectly acceptable to like a machine for it's unique characteristics (such as a harley's engine sound, the sound of belt drive, the aesthetics of the frame/tank, the low revving engine). But to buy a harley ( other than a V-Rod) for the sake of high-performance is retarded. And people judging harley's on performance alone is equally as dumb ( the ever present import vs. harley flame war ).

Harleys exist in their own niche. They are overwhelmingly populated with their own (disinterested posers) riders. For the few hardcore non-RUB/poser HD riders out there, I seriously am sorry for you getting raped by dealers because HD can get away with selling anything for big bucks.

07-01-2003, 09:33 PM	#11 (permalink)
BooRadley Insane Location: Kentucky	Harley Davidson is the ultimate triumph of style over substance. If harley riders really gave a shit about performance, there would be 0 harleys sold. Let's face it, harley davidson motors haven't changed much in 50 years. They just now introduced a water cooled motor ( good job guys, japanese have been water cooling bikes for > 20 years ). Even a completely modified harley motor produces in the 115 horsepower area, and that's fuckin 1600cc. Wow. Stock 1200cc harleys produce ~65 horspower. Wow. I shat my pants. There is dozens upon dozens of non-harley motors producing that output with half the displacement. Good job harley engineers.Even alot of the japanese cruisers are bumping out more horsepower than the harley. People always have "bought into" the image of motorcycles, just like people "buy into" the image of cars. Get over it, it's not going to change. If you are a harley rider who thinks that harleys are being ridden by more and more posers, ask yourself why you bought the harley in the first place. I'm guarenteeing that "performance", "economy", or "reliability" weren't in your list of reasons. Unless you know absolutely nothing whatsover about motorcycles and have never seen anything other than a harley. But clearly a 250 Rebel would be a more economical and reliable cruiser, and a VTX(or any number of models...) would be a better performing one. It's perfectly acceptable to like a machine for it's unique characteristics (such as a harley's engine sound, the sound of belt drive, the aesthetics of the frame/tank, the low revving engine). But to buy a harley ( other than a V-Rod) for the sake of high-performance is retarded. And people judging harley's on performance alone is equally as dumb ( the ever present import vs. harley flame war ). Harleys exist in their own niche. They are overwhelmingly populated with their own (disinterested posers) riders. For the few hardcore non-RUB/poser HD riders out there, I seriously am sorry for you getting raped by dealers because HD can get away with selling anything for big bucks.