Originally Posted by Plan9

This. And that moderation thing. In a big sandwich.

I'm tired of the "I'm a parent, that makes me special" crap.

Congratulations on Biology 101. You figured out the penis/vagina.

Reproduction doesn't give you the civilian equiv of a Ranger tab.
Nor does sitting around the barracks watching Rangers train, make you an Instructor for Ranger School. Hey, I've watched every Rambo movie ever made and Navy SEALS, let me tell you how to do your job.???? Being a parent doesn't make you special, it gives you experience. Who would you rather learn from, someone who's been there or me? The guy who watched Rambo and now thinks he's a pro.

I'm also tired of the "kids are different/special" philosophy.

Kids are like expensive pets that can learn to do more expensive tricks.

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

You're presuming that my post was a direct and enclosed response to yours. It was only one of many factors.

Don't assume too much.

Originally Posted by Shadowex3

And what kind of argument am I supposed to use in support of their having one of the basic aspects of human emotional spectrum? You want me to find a betazoid? The argument "They don't really feel, not like we do" holds even less water.



So not having the judgment to properly use contraction What does that even mean? magically gives anyone that has a kid the sound judgment on whether or not it's alright to habitually abuse children and call it "discipline"? I don't need to be an F1 driver to tell you that driving into the walls is a bad idea, or that you shouldn't put gasoline in a diesel engine, or try to shift from your highest gear straight into your lowest without changing RPMs, and so on.

The last sentence makes very little sense. RPMs and so on? It's your speed you need to be concerned about when down shifting, not RPMs. Yet another stellar example of someone pretending to know what they're talking about and spewing shit.




I've mentioned the pro-violence tendency to redefine things as is convenient in #64 already, this is just another example of that. Coming into a discussion of beltings, whippings, smackings, slappings, and other forms of corporal punishment and trying to make everyone arguing against it look unreasonable by redefining "corporal punishment" as something that can barely be qualified as physical force is just disengenuous.

Reread your post #64, there is no 'definition' of the conversation. Just your rambling about why your opinion is nonsense. Aside from that, the OP asks if parents have the right to 'smack' or discipline their own kids. Until you quoted me, I was not responding to you. There is nothing disingenuous about my post, it is my opinion from experience. And although you may like to steer the conversation into an area you have strong feelings about for your convenience, this string is about discipline, not abuse.

This isn't a "continuum", there's a very clear line between what the ever-referenced Reasonable Person would consider to be corporal punishment or not. Swatting a kids hand away from something immediately dangerous in a manner which is specifically done to move the hand rather than cause pain, or their clothed butt in a way designed to cause noise rather than a physical strike when they're about to run into the street, is absolutely different from the calculated brutality of deliberately striking them in a manner which is calculated to cause maximum pain with minimum legal liability.

Yet another example of "I don't know what I'm talking about, so I'll just repeat it until someone listens. If you smack a child's butt, when he/she's about to run into traffic, enjoy the funeral. The first reaction is going to be to get away from you, which will lead directly into traffic if that's the way he/she's facing. Nice.

Trying to compare the two is like coming into a police brutality thread and trying to use cracked ribs from CPR to justify going Rodney King on someone.

Then why are you making the comparison, I didn't. And what does cracked ribs from CPR have to do with the police abusing authority to beat down a drunk asshole?