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Old 11-20-2010, 11:33 PM   #16 (permalink)
Douva
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Since it seems that nobody has the time to read through the information at the links I provided, I'll just remind you all that THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT KEEPING GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF COLLEGE STUDENTS.

Legalizing "campus carry" would not change who can buy a gun or who can obtain a concealed handgun license. It would simply allow the same trained, licensed, carefully screened adults—age 21 and above in most states—already allowed to carry concealed handguns in locations like movie theaters, shopping malls, churches, grocery stores, office buildings, restaurants, banks, etc., to do so on college campuses. There is no reason to assume that the same concealed handgun license holders who aren't getting drunk, distraught, or despondent and shooting people outside of campus would suddenly get drunk, distraught, or despondent and shoot people on campus.

Legalizing campus carry would not change the rules at bars, off-campus parties, or most frat houses*—the places where students are most likely to drink. In many states it wouldn't even change the rules at tailgating events**. Of course, carrying a handgun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol would remain illegal.

Despite the fact that very few students of legal age (21 in most states) to obtain a concealed handgun license actually live on campus***, most proposed campus carry legislation would allow universities to regulate the possession and/or storage of firearms in dorms.

Every peer-reviewed study on the subject—including studies by the National Academy of Sciences and the Harvard Injury Control Research Center—has concluded that licensed concealed carry does not lead to an increase in either violent crime or gun deaths. The 71 U.S. college campuses that currently allow licensed concealed carry have yet to see a single resulting incident of gun violence (including threats and suicides), a single resulting gun accident, or a single resulting gun theft.

If there is no evidence that licensed concealed carry makes students and faculty less safe, and if colleges can’t ensure that licensees are not placed at greater risk by being disarmed, what pragmatic reason is there to ban licensed concealed carry on college campuses?

State laws and school policies that prohibit concealed carry on campus serve no purpose but to place law-abiding license holders at the mercy of any criminal willing to disregard state law and school policy. Unless college officials choose to ensure that campus “gun free” zones are gun free in more than name only—by taking steps (i.e., metal detectors) to disarm not only the law-abiding citizens who choose to follow the rules but also the dangerous criminals who choose to ignore the rules—there is no legitimate, fact-based reason to prohibit licensed concealed carry on college campuses.

*Most fraternity houses are privately owned by the overseeing fraternal organizations, and most are located off campus; therefore, laws prohibiting concealed carry on campus do not apply. Regardless of the laws pertaining to concealed carry on college campuses, the owners of these properties are free to create their own regulations.

**In many states, such as Texas, it is not illegal to carry a concealed handgun in a college parking lot.

***This holds true at most PUBLIC colleges, the institutions typically addressed by campus carry legislation. At the University of Texas—a major university with over 50,000 students—a quick comparison of campus housing statistics and Texas concealed handgun licensing statistics reveals that there would likely be no more than 10 to 20 concealed handgun license holders living in on-campus housing.


EDITED TO ADD: I can't imagine how any rational person who has read this rebuttal could possibly attribute any credibility whatsoever to the 20/20 episode at the beginning of this thread: campuscarry.com/opponents/debunking-abcs-2020-episode-if-i-only-had-a-gun/#content

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Originally Posted by ChrisJericho View Post
I think the main message is correct : get training.

However they did set the kids up for failure. They gave them outside the waistband thumb snap holsters to wear underneath baggy clothing plus they had to wear gloves which reduces dexterity. They might as well have done it in the dark with the sprinkler system on while the bad guys have night vision and gore-tex.

Is this the Virginia tech report you are referring to?

governor.virginia.gov/tempcontent/techpanelreport.cfm]Official Site of the Governor of Virginia

If so, I am going to read it.
Here is a response to the Virginia Tech Review Panel's official report:

campuscarry.com/opponents/rebuttal-to-the-virginia-tech-review-panel/#content

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