Sorry, I've been pretty much MIA for like a week, so I have a lot of answering to do...
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Originally Posted by savmesom11
I sincerely hope you are going for the 'entertainment value' with this response because I find it absolutely deplorable.
I am a social worker so you can label me touchy-feely all you like but....I also volunteer my time answering the phone's for a crisis center. A 24/7 hotline anyone can call, at anytime, with what they are personally experiencing and defining as a crisis. We also answer the NSPL lifeline.....
POINT: we prevent suicide because human life has value, no matter who you are. Mental illness and addiction can cause the mind and psyche to play horrible crimes on one's own mind. It is our moral responsibility to love our neighbors when they are unable to love themselves. Imagine your sister, brother, mother, cousin, boss, anyone you have experienced a positive interaction with....now imagine that they were hurting so horribly inside they saw no other alternative. Depression can happen to ANYONE, don't think that mental illness only affects "those people" you see on the corner begging for change and talking to themselves. "WEAKNESS" are you kidding me??? Suicide takes strength you can't even imagine, worse it takes everything and nothing, complete absence of self. Which is exactly why those 'weak' people choose this path, they can no longer feel or identify with anyone or anything and truly believe they and those they leave behind will be better off.
I have never felt (as one of those left behind) like I was better off; nor have I ever heard someone seeking my counseling that they felt better off.
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Weakness, indeed. To kill oneself shows one cannot hack this world. Guess what, shit's hard. Either get a fucking helmet or get out.
Lives are really not worth that much. People die all the time. Most people don't have a choice when or how they go. People who commit suicide determine it for themselves. They take it into their own hands. i.e. It's the easy way out.
If you want the easy way out, who the hell am I to keep you from it?
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
So Dani and Punk... if someone is crippled or sick and requires "special care" are you suggesting that we should not provide them this care because it makes our species weaker?
It isn't far from what you suggest to this conclusion.
This sort of policy has existed before. It didn't go down all that well.
(sweet jesus I can't believe I am godwinning a thread...)
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If they are genetically crippled or sick, I believe*, they should be removed from the gene pool. Especially since human beings have negated natural selection (Which is what brings up problems like suicide in the first place.) from occurring amongst our race for the most part.
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Originally Posted by Allyallyally
Until it's your mother, sibling, friend, colleague, partner or child..... right?
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I feel the same no matter who it is. My own sister has had suicide issues in the past. She's always gotten the same advice from me as anyone else:
Either go through with it, or stop it.
Don't get me wrong, if she went through with it, I'd mourn her death, but how can I feel too bad for anybody that took life into their own hands and went with the easy/selfish way out?
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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru
Hey, do you want to know what else weakens our species (or, more accurately, our society)? The above sentiment.
Those of strong character generally want to help people, even strangers--that's one reason why we want to prevent suicide. Others don't give a damn.
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You're right, I don't give a damn about people who commit suicide. People die. That's all there is to it. Whether you go out from some freak accident or by your own hand, you're dead just the same. At least, with suicide, you had a choice in the matter.
Overall, I feel* that suicide is the same as calling it quits. It's a weak, self-indulgent way to leave this world. If that's how you'd like to let people remember you, be my guest.
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*Note to reader: Please remember that these are
my beliefs. The beliefs of a moderately educated (at best), middle class (at best) human. I don't mean to offend; I'm just answering a question.
That is what this is all about, isn't it?