Starting this thread again eh? For a guy who hates MMA you spend alot of time on it. Fine. I'll bite.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
I think it is only appropriate to make a separate thread about this, so as not to not fill the thread about which MMA fighter will win which brawl with comments about its validity as a sport
I will make the following points
1 - To strike a man when he is down is utterly cowardly. Any person who chooses to compete in a sport where a key factor is the striking of a fallen man fundamentally has an element of cowardice in his personality. The rule of MMA encourage cowardice
Many of the people who will comment on this are men, who were once boys, and as a kid at school or as a man in life - we probably have all been in some kind of fight or other. Assuming you arent fighting for your life - if you knock a man down, you let him get up and fight. When he says down the fight is over. Full stop. The rules of MMA are a direct affront to the basic concepts of sport and masculinity. You dont hit a man that is down, you dont hit a man in the back. Full stop.
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THIS IS WRONG FULL FUCKING STOP and as long as you don't get the fact that there is a difference between a downed opponent and a defenseless opponent. Ask a BJJ martial artist if he wants to be on his back. Royce Gracie won many of his fights on his back.
Apparently it's more manly to hit a guy thats already punchdrunk but still standing.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
2 - Wrestling requires some but little skill. If you look at MMA records even the best fighters have losses... thats because every MMA fight is a lottery. You slip up, or get taken down, and someone has you in a position to break your arm in a second. You either submit, or cant carry on anyway. MMA is about as fair judge of supremacy as the average brawl in a pub car park . One mistake and the fights over thats it. Anyone with a basic level of toughness and strength could be a MMA champion after 2 months of training
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How many of the great boxers have a loss or two in their carreer? Does that mean that boxing is a lottery too since everyone has a puncher's chance?
MMA is hardly a "lottery". Part of what has made Georges St. Pierre so successfull is that Greg Jackson is known as one of the best cornermen in MMA. He and GSP are known for coming up with a plan to defeat each and every opponents and the result has been GSP's dominance of the welterweight division. Yes he has two losses on his record but he has done what a true champion does. Take his losses, learn from them and use them to make him a better fighter.
If you want an undefeated fighter.
Lyoto Machida.
Current Light Heavyweight Champion.
Professional Record
15 wins - 0 Losses
There is nothing lucky about why Lyoto has been dominant in every fight he's been in.
First - He uses a very unorthodox style combining Shotokan Karate, Sumo, and Brazilian Jui-Jitsu.
Second - He's fast and very very hard to hit. While he may not have the most powerful punches he was very accurate strikes.
Third - He trains with the best. He trains with Anderson Silva. One of the best fighters in the world.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
3 - MMA has no history. Boxing goes back to men like James Figg, Tom Cribb, Jem Mace (and if you dont know who they are you dont know much about combat sports in general)... the holder of the world championship may be involved in alphabet politics, but they also inherit a title that can be best described as "The Emperor of Masculinity". Boxing has produced Marciano, Pep, Ali, Louis, Johnson, Leonard, Robinson, Sullivan, Mace, Chazev, Foreman, Dempsey, Wilde, Holmes, Liston, Tyson... MMA has names like Graycie, Silva, Liddell...
Yeah, exactly. Who?
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Yes Boxing has more history. You'd have to be an idiot to argue that. MMA doesn't have the history that Boxing does but it's gaining it.
I looked up the current boxing champions. How many names did I know on the current list of the "best in the world"? Two. I've heard of the Klitschkos but the truth is that I couldn't pick either of them out of a lineup.
MMA's growing and moving more and more into the mainstream. Case in point, Georges St. Pierre is appearing Gatorade's most recent ad campain here in Canada as well as being named Sportsnet (one of the national tv sports channels) Canadian Athlete of the Year. GSP is becoming one of the most well known atheletes in Canada. Many people who have never watched an MMA fight in their lives know who Georges St. Pierre is.
Another example. One of UFC's biggest sponser a few years ago, Mickey's Malt Liquor. UFC's sponsers now? Anheuser-Busch. Can't get much more mainstream than Bud.