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Plan9 · 01-26-2009, 06:52 PM

I have a Plainfield PP30 aka "Enforcer." It's basically a M1 Carbine chopped into pistol format. Great little piece. Kicks like a 9mm and totes a 30 round GI mag. Doesn't serve too bad as a home defense piece as it can be fired like a normal handgun or you can hold onto the forearm and use it like a carbine sans stock. It's short, light, easy to operate, and uses a decent short-range round.

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I find the folds-in-half Keltec Sub2000 (9mm Glock or Beretta mag model) to be a useful alternative to a handgun for situations where I don't have to conceal it on my person or have it as a more substantial secondary piece for situations where a normal carbine (M4) wouldn't make a lot of sense. The thing is an oversize handgun and can be accurately (and rapidly) fired with just one hand and the stock shouldered. For me, the Keltec Sub2000 is primarily used as a car gun (breaks in half and goes under the seat... mag loaded and 100% safe) or a kept behind the door when I stay in hotels. I'll get at why:

I think the primary advantage of a pistol-caliber carbine is that it has all the limitations of a handgun caliber weapon (less range and less wall-piercing bystander-slaying power with a heavy projectile) but it has the advantages of a rifle-shaped weapon (shoulder stock for support, better sights - both improve accuracy). What you get is a weak rifle, something that (I feel) has a place in the civilian world as a self-defense piece or perhaps something law enforcement would be interested in despite their move to M4s.

Sometimes less is more (caliber) and more is more (shoulder stock). Limitations aren't always a bad thing.

Does that make sense to anybody?

01-26-2009, 06:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	I have a Plainfield PP30 aka "Enforcer." It's basically a M1 Carbine chopped into pistol format. Great little piece. Kicks like a 9mm and totes a 30 round GI mag. Doesn't serve too bad as a home defense piece as it can be fired like a normal handgun or you can hold onto the forearm and use it like a carbine sans stock. It's short, light, easy to operate, and uses a decent short-range round. ... I find the folds-in-half Keltec Sub2000 (9mm Glock or Beretta mag model) to be a useful alternative to a handgun for situations where I don't have to conceal it on my person or have it as a more substantial secondary piece for situations where a normal carbine (M4) wouldn't make a lot of sense. The thing is an oversize handgun and can be accurately (and rapidly) fired with just one hand and the stock shouldered. For me, the Keltec Sub2000 is primarily used as a car gun (breaks in half and goes under the seat... mag loaded and 100% safe) or a kept behind the door when I stay in hotels. I'll get at why: I think the primary advantage of a pistol-caliber carbine is that it has all the limitations of a handgun caliber weapon (less range and less wall-piercing bystander-slaying power with a heavy projectile) but it has the advantages of a rifle-shaped weapon (shoulder stock for support, better sights - both improve accuracy). What you get is a weak rifle, something that (I feel) has a place in the civilian world as a self-defense piece or perhaps something law enforcement would be interested in despite their move to M4s. Sometimes less is more (caliber) and more is more (shoulder stock). Limitations aren't always a bad thing. Does that make sense to anybody? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 01-26-2009 at 07:00 PM..