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smooth · 11-22-2008, 07:26 AM

sometimes the responses on here fucking amaze me

simply. fucking. amaze. me.

so a husband can't slam, punch, and mace his wife, a mother can't slam, punch, and mace her son, an EMT can't slam, punch or a mace a drunk, but an adult male can face punch a 15 year old girl because he's a cop?

because he's a cop?!

that's exactly what dksuddeth was pointing out.

obviously an argument can be made to restrain people using professional methods.
No one's denying a cop the right and responsibility to restrain an individual breaking the law, even if it results in pain.
But where the hell do face punching someone, anyone fit into that? I'm less upset about slamming her head down into the hood, if only for the fact he might have actually thought that he was losing grip on her and sliding out.

but there's not fucking way that anyone can sit here and appear to be reasonable to me and not also conclude that the cop obviously lost his temper and training and just plain punched her in the face out of frustration. he stopped what he was doing, he punched her in the face, and then went back to doing what he was doing...it's a pretty clear shift in demeanor and tactics to my eyes.

My wife's done some pretty wicked shit when she doesn't want to get rough-housed. None of her training involved punching me, however.
Likewise, I've been no stranger to being an asshole to the cops and also no stranger to being fucked up by them.
There have been about 2 instances of straight up brutality, like the time I was curbed stomped by a few until my someone came outside and started shouted they were going to break my back if they didn't stop. and from pure chance a different neighbor took it upon herself to pass a pack of photos to my judge and the charges of "resisting arrest" were promptly dropped.

but I say all that to point out that all the other times I've been at the receiving end of a police-sponsored ass-whooping it's been in those circumstances that my behavior was the cause of my pain. properly trained, there are all kinds of points of pressure to bring about compliance and if I choose to break my finger or dislocate my shoulder based on my own irrational urge to smash myself against the holds on me then so be it. but that's far and away from punching me while I'm half cuffed.

11-22-2008, 07:26 AM	#20 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	sometimes the responses on here fucking amaze me simply. fucking. amaze. me. so a husband can't slam, punch, and mace his wife, a mother can't slam, punch, and mace her son, an EMT can't slam, punch or a mace a drunk, but an adult male can face punch a 15 year old girl because he's a cop? because he's a cop?! that's exactly what dksuddeth was pointing out. obviously an argument can be made to restrain people using professional methods. No one's denying a cop the right and responsibility to restrain an individual breaking the law, even if it results in pain. But where the hell do face punching someone, anyone fit into that? I'm less upset about slamming her head down into the hood, if only for the fact he might have actually thought that he was losing grip on her and sliding out. but there's not fucking way that anyone can sit here and appear to be reasonable to me and not also conclude that the cop obviously lost his temper and training and just plain punched her in the face out of frustration. he stopped what he was doing, he punched her in the face, and then went back to doing what he was doing...it's a pretty clear shift in demeanor and tactics to my eyes. My wife's done some pretty wicked shit when she doesn't want to get rough-housed. None of her training involved punching me, however. Likewise, I've been no stranger to being an asshole to the cops and also no stranger to being fucked up by them. There have been about 2 instances of straight up brutality, like the time I was curbed stomped by a few until my someone came outside and started shouted they were going to break my back if they didn't stop. and from pure chance a different neighbor took it upon herself to pass a pack of photos to my judge and the charges of "resisting arrest" were promptly dropped. but I say all that to point out that all the other times I've been at the receiving end of a police-sponsored ass-whooping it's been in those circumstances that my behavior was the cause of my pain. properly trained, there are all kinds of points of pressure to bring about compliance and if I choose to break my finger or dislocate my shoulder based on my own irrational urge to smash myself against the holds on me then so be it. but that's far and away from punching me while I'm half cuffed. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman