06-14-2008, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Willravel
How is it that someone like Brown can replace someone like Blair, who most in Labour thought was too much of a centrist? It seems that Brown may as well be a Tory. Actually, a neo-torry. Feel free to use that.
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Labour had become neocon, and unlike in the US....in the UK, conservatives seem to be conservative:
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http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...nt#post2467643
June 6, 2008
42-day detention: the threat to our liberty
The Government's plan is simply part of an assault on our ancient rights
John Major....
Friday, 13 June 2008 08:45 UK
David Davis resigns from Commons
David Davis explains why he is resigning
Shadow home secretary David Davis has resigned as an MP, promising to fight to regain his seat on a platform of defending "British liberties".
The Lib Dems are not taking part in the by-election in Haltemprice and Howden, while Labour has yet to decide.
Mr Davis said the government was facing a test of "nerve" over its plans to extend detentions for terror suspects.
But Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said the resignation showed the Conservatives were in "disarray".
Mr Davis said he would fight the by-election campaigning against the government's plans to extend pre-charge detentions for terror suspects to a maximum of 42 days.
'Their issue'
The proposal passed through the Commons on Wednesday by a margin of nine votes, against the opposition of the Tories, Lib Dems and 36 Labour MPs.
Mr Davis said: "It would be very unlikely that the Labour Party wouldn't stand. ...
...In his resignation statement, he said he feared 42 days was just the beginning and next "we'll next see 56 days, 70 days, 90 days".
But, he added: "In truth, 42 days is just one -- perhaps the most salient example -- of the insidious, surreptitious and relentless erosion of fundamental British freedoms."
He listed the growth of the "database state," government "snooping" ID cards, the erosion of jury trials and other issues.
"This cannot go on. It must be stopped and for that reason today I feel it is incumbent on me to make a stand," said Mr Davis....
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In the UK, the "War on Terror" has been openly reduced to a political game, but in the US, the Kool-Ade still flows strong on the republican side:
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4116590.ece
June 12, 2008
42-day detention: David Cameron lost — but gamble may still pay off
.....Those Shadow Cabinet members who had initial doubts agreed to set aside their worries and enjoy the plaudits of civil liberties campaigners. As Gordon Brown struggled to sell his case, Mr Cameron’s strategy on the Counter-Terrorism Bill appeared to be paying off. It allowed the Tory leader to appeal to Liberal Democrat voters and exploit internal Labour tensions while simultaneously countering the charge that he was a shallow political opportunist....
....ConservativeHome, the activists’ website, also voiced its concern. “A mature political party, interested in public safety, shouldn’t lightly dismiss the arguments of such a senior antiterrorist specialist and a senior police chief,” an editorial said yesterday.
Mr Cameron knows that Mr Brown’s victory will mean that he will face the “soft-on-terror” gibe from now until the election. Seeking to deflect this charge, he invoked Northern Ireland at Prime Minister’s Questions yesterday. “This party needs no reminders of the importance of fighting terrorism. The first Member of Parliament I ever wrote a speech for, Ian Gow, was murdered by the IRA. The first Member of Parliament who ever represented me, Airey Neave, is commemorated above that door, murdered by the IRA.” .....
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Last edited by host; 06-14-2008 at 04:04 PM..
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