| I have no frame of reference for the type of cities this thread seems to be referring to.  I don't know of any of my friends  (and I mean ANY) who don't have AT LEAST one car per driver in their household, I don't know anyone who walks to work (the one guy at my work who bikes is viewed as a weirdo, and even he has a 12 mile one-way commute).  
 I drive 80 miles a day to and from work and school, and am comfortably happy with how 'close' I am to everything.  I have both a Super Target and a Super Walmart (Super means groceries) accross the street from my neighborhood (less than a mile driveway-to-parking spot).  I'm not sure there is anywhere in Phoenix you can live that is farther than 4 miles from a Wal Mart...you're usually within 3 miles of 2.
 
 Edit:  I have never used public transportation in Phoenix, or really, at all...I rode the subway in Washington DC once, I think that may be the extent of it.  The only bus I've been in was a cheap Greyhound to california.
 
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