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Originally Posted by Daniel_
I'm sorry - I have to take issue with this.
I worked for a couple of years in retail - all the shit of food service but nobody gave me a present if they really liked the way I got their cans of soup.
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You got a higher wage, but yes there are other customer service jobs out there, no need to be offended.
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Why do people in food service think they automatically DESERVE a present?
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Because at the time I was getting something like 2.50 an hour and a tip was built into my pay, even by the federal government. It wasn't a present.
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I think my pay could be better, but if I insisted that my customers pay a 15% service charge for the honour of buying from me, I'd be in prison for corruption.
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Ummm I could charge 15% more in a heartbeat if I liked at my work, without going to prison, but its a competition thing. No idea why you go to prison for higher prices.
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To answer the OP, I tip for good service - I add about 10% if it was good. But my choice of what is good may not be the same as yours - if you hassle me (as all US waiters that ever served me did) about refills or send five people to ask if I'm enjoying my meal - you get less, or none.
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You know when I worked as a waiter I got to know the door staff VERY well, they kept the Europeans from my section if possible.
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I add my tip to the cheque/card - that way it can be honestly shared through the kitchen staff etc.
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Doesn't work that way, most establishments you tip the kitchen/bar based on your sales %, not your tips. If you get crappy tips or great ones it doesn't matter, you paid a set %. No cheating was possible that way.
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If it's obligatory that we all pay 15%, and 25% for great service, then put the frigging prices up on the menu.
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Well now you know.
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If your pay sucks, leave the job and as an earlier person has posted - learn to type.
I worked hard to get a job that is not on minimum wage, if you are in a crappy job, work hard to better yourself.
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Its not a minimum wage job. If everyone acted like you the base pay would be higher to make up for your cheapskatedness and the prices on the menu would be directly higher plus you would get shittier service. I think its amusing you found American service to be too smothering, my guess is you are used to crappy service by now.
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I sympathise, and if you do a really good job, I'll be generous - but it's not automatic.
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So that would be your full generous 10%?
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You know the name for a gift you cannot choose to ignore? A tax.
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No, its an honor system. If you get crappy service you are not expected to tip well. It gives you the ability to decide what that persons labor was worth to you under the circumstance. A tax you gotta pay shitty service or otherwise, and thats what your attitude would end up resulting if everyone was like you. If your non-minimum wage job is so fantastic, you can afford the % and you now know how the system works. Instead you are trying to say how it SHOULD work according you to, and it doesn't.