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Old 10-26-2007, 09:41 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm gonna try to make my argument clearer.....

We we're told by the PTTB, on 9/11....and after...that we were attacked by:

Quote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...600455_pf.html
Bush Says 10 Plots by Al Qaeda Were Foiled
Speech Aims to Rally U.S. Support for War

By Peter Baker and Susan B. Glasser
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, October 7, 2005; A01

.....In his speech, originally scheduled to mark the four-year anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks but postponed after Hurricane Katrina, Bush had many terms for his enemy, calling it variously "Islamic radicalism," "militant Jihadism" and even "Islamofascism." He did not declare an end to his "global war on terror," a phrase that some advisers had pushed to abandon in favor of "strategy against violent extremism."

But he did offer what Hoffman called a "far more nuanced" portrait of his enemies, essentially adopting the view of experts that al Qaeda has morphed into a global enemy -- as Bush said, "more like a loose network with many branches than an army under a single command," with operatives united by ideology but not "centrally directed."

Bush, however, rejected the idea that "extremism" had been "strengthened" by the ongoing U.S. war in Iraq, taking strong issue with analysts who believe that Iraq has become a "melting pot for jihadists from around the world, a training group and an indoctrination center" for a new generation of terrorists, as the State Department's annual report on terrorism put it this year.

"To say Iraq has not contributed to the rise of global Sunni extremism movement is delusional," said Roger W. Cressey, a former White House counterterrorism adviser under Bush and President Bill Clinton. "We should have an honest discussion about what these unintended consequences of the Iraq war are and what do we do to counter them."

Some experts have been pushing for Bush to characterize the enemy as an ideology with specific political objectives, such as re-creating an Islamic caliphate to unite all Muslim countries. They argue that in the past Bush handed foes in the Middle East an easy weapon by not making such a distinction, leaving him open to the charge that the United States is waging war on Islam......

President Discusses Global War on Terror
This caliphate would be a totalitarian Islamic empire encompassing all ..... This strategy document is posted on the White House website -- whitehouse.gov. ...
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060905-4.html - 54k -
<h3>...and the faithful parrot the line.....as recently as in the current "festivities"....ongoing as I post this:</h3>
Quote:
http://cornellsun.com/node/25587
Islamo-Facism Week: Offensive or Necessary?

Heartless, Not Stupid
October 26, 2007 - 12:00am
By Bill McMorris

Across the country this week, concerned college students on over 100 campuses took part in the largest conservative student protest in history. The Terrorism Awareness project, founded by prominent conservative activist David Horowitz, organized workshops, film screenings and <h3>protests as part of the group’s Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week.....</h3>
<h3>Why are so few "concerned college students, fighting 'em "over there"....as members of our military?....and what are we "protesting"....in this thread's OP, and on campuses....is it the perceived (by the faithful...) lack of reverence to the "9/11 line"....and for the Bushworld version of "patriotism to be practiced by the masses"....but not by the elite...doing business and networking with their connections....as usual?</h3>


...but the impact is....Iraq in chaos....no progress in Afghanisatn....a worn out US conventional force....a worn out US Treasury...triggering extreme and amazingly rapid US dollar depreciation.....resulting in a similar progression as observed in the post Iraq invasion occupation....and in the aftermath of the Katrina disaster...

huge amounts of government money...borrowed....hurled at "the problem", as common folk are restricted from participating....or are limited....by edict....

"no bid" contracts awarded to chosen patrons only...in Iraq....in New Orleans... Davis-Bacon Act wage regs....immediately suspended in New Orleans..... new "powers" appropriated out of former "checks and balances" safeguards....from surveillance....to timely judicial hearings in the aftermath of criminal charges levied by the executive....to an end run around the bidding process....

It's been only six years since they got this process up and running....and whether it's invasion/occupation of Iraq, disaster response and reconstruction, or management of spending and accountability, or of judicial safeguards and consitutional rights....it's the same pattern....

Iraq/Afghanistan....New Orleans....management of fiscal matters, of the military, of the DOJ.....sums borrowed and expended....no appreciable benefit to anyone not connected to the ruling elite.....and no measurable, sustained progress or improvement for the money spent.

I observe that the "cure"....enhanced national security...or a reconstructed and levee protected New Orleans....comes at a price in dollars and abridged rights...that is too costly to bear....or to perceive any value in....at all.

I predict that the "plan"...is more of the same....especially if the "leading" GOP 2008 candidate is....Rudy....offering his carbon copy combination of "the terror threat we all live under"....the personal and crony profiteering, and the listen to me, but don't examine how I've actually managed my responsibilities, or my reaction to criticism and the legal limits placed on my authority....

Just be an obedient, patriotic American and let us....and our commanders on the ground....fight this war.

I'm worried that all of this leads up to a domestic version of the conditions following the Iraqi invasion.....valueless currency....rule by edict...by a president turned viceroy....with a government so indebted that it struggles just to pay to maintain functioning surveillance/security apparatus at home, and for increasinlgy expensive and ineffectual military operations abroad.

...and we all come to live in conditions....with a dollar that buys nothing, and a wealthy, connected elite, living in their "green zones"....more like post invasion Baghdad....or in New Orleans in Katrina's aftermath....than in the low debt, high dollar valuation, pre 9/11 daze......

If you think that I'm inaccurate....watch the dollar's progress down...and our military's....and our economy.....the "progress" in Iraq/Afghanistan, and New Orleans....and, follow the money....$100 million to Rudy.....the money to Bush's family and friends..... to the son of the CNP, at Blackwater.....and watch for changes in the law....and rulings by the court....

Long term...maybe there is some sort of a threat from a few disgruntled terrorists....but what scares me...is what comes from the GOP next year, and from the folks sponsoring and participating in the Oct., 2007 "Islamo-Facism Week". Their sentiment and activities seem to be a more immediate threat...they're killing the dollar, the economy, and the rule of law, and what remains of the "middle class"....here at home.

Euro cost .89 cents, and now it's $1.44...and oil costs $91.00....and we don't even discuss it......sheesh!

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