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Old 07-02-2007, 11:33 AM   #114 (permalink)
Jenny Hatch
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Originally Posted by Charlatan
So rather than strengthen the FDA drug approval process you would toss the baby with the bathwater and ban all drugs?

I just want to be clear because that's what it sounds like you are suggesting.

Your approach to medical assisted childbirth is very much a baby and the bathwater sort of thing. Instead of recognizing the good that can and does come from what we have learned you would rather retreat to the dark ages and higher death rates during childbirth.

As with most things... it's never a black and white story.

I'm not saying it is a black and white story.

What I would like to see happen is for all drugs to be legalized (Including street drugs), the insane steps that the pharma companies have to go through to get their dope on the market should be opened completely up to allow the smaller companies to compete, and all government money should be pulled out of the process.

The FDA is in the pockets of the big pharma companies anyway and is completely ineffective as a regulatory agency.
If people want drugs, let them have at it in whatever form they desire. They are doing it anyway, even with all of the regulations and rules we have in place as a society.

THEN, educate our young women on the linkage between drugged births and drug addiction later in life and teach them how to give birth without drugs.

Then completely privatize the medical profession, take away all government money, private insurance, and let people pay out of pocket for the medical services they want to use.

If you have not noticed yet, I am a capitalist. I believe market forces will regulate the industry far more effectively and with greater efficiency than any other sort of system.


Do I believe that will happen in my lifetime? Nope, not in a million years would any politician have the courage to start talking about privatizing health care. But it will happen anyway when the sustem starts to crash as it is in the UK, and as it always done through out history when socialized medicine is put in place.

Those of us promoting feebirth do not consider it a step back, we see it as a leap forward....leading to millennial stuff like lions laying down with lambs, babies living to the age of a tree, and "there shall no more thence be an infant of days" to quote Isaiah the prophet.

We envision every mother and father so empowered with information about how to create a healthy child, that the only time they would ever even consider going into a hospital to give birth by c-section would be if the mother had an accident that produced a crushed pelvis or some other scenario where the surgery would indeed save both the mother and the babe.

The world health organization says that no country should have a section rate of more than 10%. And absolutely nothing is being done to change course.

Recently I met up with a fellow bradley teacher at a girls track meet for our daughters and asked her what is changing in birth. She continued to teach the past ten years, while I dropped out to promote Freebirth full time on the internet.

First and foremost, she said the parents are afraid. And the moms don't want to even try to have a natural birth. She had to stop teaching her independent class, (Even though we live in Boulder county in colorado) cause few people wanted to learn how to give birth without drugs. Because she is a nurse, she was hired by the local hospital to teach childbirth classes.

I asked her about the section rate increase and she said the labor nurses are really excited. They want it to go even higher because it makes things so much easier for them. Instead of having to sit up all night with a mom attempting a natural birth, they get to prep a woman for surgery and an hour later the child is "safely" out, and then they can focus on helping mom recover from the surgery and keep the babe for a couple days and it's cha ching $$$ cha ching for the hospital, and they largely don't have to deal with the law suit issue because they have already performed the most interventionist, heroic effort possible.

I don't want to give birth in that environment, where all paths lead to the surgery. Medical people are HOSTILE to natural childbirth mommas. I endured that hostility for three births. No more.

Jenny

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Originally Posted by Cynthetiq

In today's world of lawyers, I cannot see any doctor in the United States freely giving this without any thought or consent:
Are you kidding me? This drug is being used all over the country to induce labor. It has become standard of care in obstetrics. Google cytotec and read the stuff at midwifery today on it. Here are a couple of quotes. And yes, they are using it without informed consent. What mother in her right mind would agree to something that would give her child a one in four chance of survival after a rupture? Want to know why the infant mortality rate is going up up up? Cytotec.

Marsden Wagner:

"Without adequate testing of Cytotec (misoprostol) for labor induction, obstetricians simply began to use it on their birthing women. They were taking advantage of a huge loophole in our drug regulatory system. Once a drug is approved by the FDA for a specific medical indication and put on the market, there is absolutely nothing to prevent any doctor from using that drug for any indication, in any dose, for any patient he or she chooses. Since the label of the drug contains the indications approved by the FDA, this is called "off-label" use of a drug.

When obstetricians using Cytotec induction are confronted about their willingness to use a drug "off-label," they inevitably answer: "We use drugs off-label all the time." There are several serious problems with this answer. First, in reality, using Cytotec for induction is not "off-label" at all—it is "on-label contraindicated." On the Cytotec label it is explicitly written that this drug is contraindicated for use on pregnant women. Contraindication would not be on the label unless data exist suggesting possible serious risks from such use. "On-label contraindicated" is a whole different level of risk-taking than a use that is not mentioned one way or the other on the label.

A second reason to be concerned with the offhand answer of some obstetricians is that all off-label use is lumped together as though there were equal risks involved. During a case I was involved in, I asked the obstetrician about the off-label use of Cytotec for labor induction. He replied with the same answer that I have heard from so many clinicians: "We use Cytotec off-label for induction just like we use other drugs off-label all the time."

Compare this to someone involved in a fatal car accident who is asked why he did not follow traffic laws and drove 100 miles an hour in a 25 mile an hour zone. The driver answers: "Traffic laws are disobeyed all the time. Why just last week there were dozens of parking tickets given out in this city." You can't compare the risks of excessive speeding with the risks of illegal parking.

And you can't compare the risks of Cytotec induction with the risk involved in giving other drugs to pregnant women off-label. A survey of 731 pregnant women revealed they had been given 10 drugs while pregnant (1). But of the 10 drugs given off-label, the use of nine of them on pregnant women carried very little risk while the use of the tenth drug, the prostaglandins (including Cytotec), have proven serious risks including uterine rupture, following which one in four babies die."

Please keep reading about cytotec...especially if you are pregnant. When ACOG decides to ban its use during labor, I may consider the idea that American Obstetrics is actually about the health of the mother and child.

Read stuff by Ina May Gaskin, Marsden Wagner, and puruse all of the lawyer sites offering to help families disabled by cytotec. It is being used in America TODAY!!! and

It is one of the main reasons I chose to give birth at home alone.

Jenny

Last edited by Jenny Hatch; 07-02-2007 at 12:11 PM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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