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JustJess · 06-21-2007, 09:31 AM

Look, I think you guys are going off on the wrong tangent here - these are lawyers. For the visa applicants. OF COURSE THEY WANT THEIR CLIENT TO GET A GREEN CARD.

You are entirely misunderstanding the whole process. H-1Bs are non-immigrant visas. They are designed to fill a gap in available candidates. H-1Bs are only available to people who hold at least a Bachelor's in the area they are being hired for. Now, you CAN file for a green card while in H-1B status, and many do. That's what the attorneys are discussing.

They aren't doing anything illegal. They are supporting their clients. Is the defense attorney who attempts to get evidence thrown out on a technicality doing something illegal? No, they are doing their job, for their client.

It's very easy for you to sit there and say "oh those immigrants! taking our jobs!". You can shove your self-righteous attitude, really. Because I know these people. This is my job. I know a LOT of these people. And they are just like you and I - they are good, hardworking people. Assets to our company, and the U.S. They are just trying to build a life here, pay taxes like you and I.

This whole green card process is completely fucked up. And if it takes their attorneys advertising the job in a less public spot, so the fuck what? Do you even know how a labor cert works?

1. The person requests sponsorship for a green card.
2. This process costs almost $10,000 by the time it's done. Yeah, really.
3. We have to advertise the position in three places for 2 wks to a month. Then we have to have a "quiet period" for another month just in case some schmuck just gets around to sending a resume 4 weeks after the ad.
4. We review all the resumes for the JOB THAT THE VISA HOLDER IS ALREADY IN. Clearly, we hired them originally for a reason. Why would we want someone else? Do you realize that if we do this your way, we have to fire someone just because of this stupid ad?
5. Then we get to file the labor cert with all the copies of resumes and why the other people weren't qualified.

6. IF the labor cert is approved (and that takes months and months to be processed, or they can pay ANOTHER $1000 to get it in 2 weeks) then they can file the next part, the I-485 to change their status to green card holder.
7. IF that's approved too, THEN they can file the next piece, which is just applying for the card itself. That part? Takes years and years for some people. No, really. It does. It's ridiculous.

You know, I have almost a dozen cases right now that JUST got looked at by the gov't... even tho they filed 5-6 years ago? Then the case goes to what's known as a "backlog elimination center". Then maybe, maybe it's approved. All my cases have been, but we file solid cases.

Now... this is for someone with a degree. What's the guy who cleans floors going to do? He's no less valuable to our society than I am, but the US immigration laws don't give a shit. They are so backwards and illogical and bureaucratic, with little possibility of navigating these waters without spending $10K and having an attorney do it for you.

The whole system is fucked. Don't blame the immigration attorneys that are trying to make it work.

06-21-2007, 09:31 AM	#6 (permalink)
JustJess Unencapsulated Location: Kittyville	Look, I think you guys are going off on the wrong tangent here - these are lawyers. For the visa applicants. OF COURSE THEY WANT THEIR CLIENT TO GET A GREEN CARD. You are entirely misunderstanding the whole process. H-1Bs are non-immigrant visas. They are designed to fill a gap in available candidates. H-1Bs are only available to people who hold at least a Bachelor's in the area they are being hired for. Now, you CAN file for a green card while in H-1B status, and many do. That's what the attorneys are discussing. They aren't doing anything illegal. They are supporting their clients. Is the defense attorney who attempts to get evidence thrown out on a technicality doing something illegal? No, they are doing their job, for their client. It's very easy for you to sit there and say "oh those immigrants! taking our jobs!". You can shove your self-righteous attitude, really. Because I know these people. This is my job. I know a LOT of these people. And they are just like you and I - they are good, hardworking people. Assets to our company, and the U.S. They are just trying to build a life here, pay taxes like you and I. This whole green card process is completely fucked up. And if it takes their attorneys advertising the job in a less public spot, so the fuck what? Do you even know how a labor cert works? 1. The person requests sponsorship for a green card. 2. This process costs almost $10,000 by the time it's done. Yeah, really. 3. We have to advertise the position in three places for 2 wks to a month. Then we have to have a "quiet period" for another month just in case some schmuck just gets around to sending a resume 4 weeks after the ad. 4. We review all the resumes for the JOB THAT THE VISA HOLDER IS ALREADY IN. Clearly, we hired them originally for a reason. Why would we want someone else? Do you realize that if we do this your way, we have to fire someone just because of this stupid ad? 5. Then we get to file the labor cert with all the copies of resumes and why the other people weren't qualified. 6. IF the labor cert is approved (and that takes months and months to be processed, or they can pay ANOTHER $1000 to get it in 2 weeks) then they can file the next part, the I-485 to change their status to green card holder. 7. IF that's approved too, THEN they can file the next piece, which is just applying for the card itself. That part? Takes years and years for some people. No, really. It does. It's ridiculous. You know, I have almost a dozen cases right now that JUST got looked at by the gov't... even tho they filed 5-6 years ago? Then the case goes to what's known as a "backlog elimination center". Then maybe, maybe it's approved. All my cases have been, but we file solid cases. Now... this is for someone with a degree. What's the guy who cleans floors going to do? He's no less valuable to our society than I am, but the US immigration laws don't give a shit. They are so backwards and illogical and bureaucratic, with little possibility of navigating these waters without spending $10K and having an attorney do it for you. The whole system is fucked. Don't blame the immigration attorneys that are trying to make it work. __________________ My heart knows me better than I know myself, so I'm gonna let it do all the talkin'. Last edited by JustJess; 06-21-2007 at 09:35 AM..