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Originally Posted by Taltos
By the Goddess, everybody's got to be so PC these days.  Look, as serious moral issues go, this is about the most lighthearted of topics we can have. I don't think we have to be so serious in our approach as to be apologizing with every other line whenever we want to put forward an idea, maybe, if its okay, not to offend everyone, we're all happy... you know? You can rest assure that, I, for one, am not going to be offended by anything you say on this topic. I also know that nothing I say is going to change anyone's mind, and I'm not trying to. So let's just be free to share and speak our minds... |
I wasn't trying to be PC. I can't stand PC
. Through the course of these discussions, they always end up as battles between atheists and theists. It doesn't bother me, it's just pointless; the same arguments get pushed around every time and nothing is accomplished. No-one is converted to anything. If I've learned anything from the internet, it's that mere words won't change people.
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LOL. See, and I would put forward the hypothetical supposition that humans exist because there is a God / Goddess / Animal Totem / Spiritual Messiah Figure Ascended To A Higher Plane. Further, the very idea, that so many people (and only people, as you point out) can and will believe in a God is itself fairly miraculous...
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And the only way to experimentally prove anything in regards to your last point would be to completely isolate a group of people from any mention of a God, while simultaneously giving them scientific explanations for all the natural phenomena around them. If they don't developer a concept of a God under these circumstances, then it would prove that the entire reason for religion/God is to provide people with the "whys" and "hows". If this is the case, then God is fictional; a construct of our curiosity and our need to explain things.
Another way to put it is: If a child is raised as an atheist, with intelligent atheistic parents, then will he develop a concept of God? I very strongly doubt that he will.
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If there is no God, there is likely no cosmic destiny or specialness. If there is no cosmic destiny or specialness there is likely no God. There is evidence of this all around us, every day.
If there is a God, then there is likely a cosmic destiny or specialness. If there is a cosmic destiny or specialness, there is likely a God. There is evidence of this all around us, every day.
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I've already tried to show that relatively new development in science say that the universe is fundamentally random. I won't go into detail here, but you can look at
this and
this topic. If the universe is random, then there is no cosmic destiny, and so one of these arguments is disproved.