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Originally Posted by MrFriendly
The disincentive should be that if you come here illegally you'll be sent back home.
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The problem here being that we can't send them back home. First you have to work out where home is, and secondly you have to legally prove to the recipiant government that you have some of their nationals in custody. I could only imagine how much red tape there would be there.
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Originally Posted by MrFriendly
If people are desperate enough to drop everything and go through the extraordinary lengths to get here, I'm pretty sure that the scum selling them passage are going to forget to mention what will happen to them if they get caught.
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And therein, as the bard says, lies the rub. The real criminals here are the people who are bringing these people into our country. Stop the smugglers and you stop the illegals. The problem here is that Indonesia have no intention on stopping this trade. Clamping down would take money and resources, both of which they can't afford, to do what... stop something that doesn't really effect them at all? Not going to happen.
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Originally Posted by MrFriendly
The media as it is already does it's best to divide our country based on race.
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The media is just a reflection of public opinion. Whatever is more popular gets more front pages. The Cronulla riots happened because people (of many races) are sick to death of groups of muslim men spitting on women, abusing people, and pack hunting. There'll be more of this because these men will not stop acting like this. In most cases they are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who's parents/grand parents have given everything for their new home but they themselves are full of hatred and cowardice.
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Originally Posted by MrFriendly
Abusing the human rights of refugees, the same human rights we apparently stand for as a nation, is completely unnecessary. Look at this way, so say you have to spend time in one of these centers, and then we grant them citizenship, no we have someone who already feels alienated and pissed off. If that happens to enough people it's only going to serve to created a whole myriad of social problems down the line.
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Firstly which human rights are we denying exactly? They are in detention because they have broken the law. In no country on earth is ignorance of the law an excuse for breaking it. If you're talking about treatment inside these places I would like to hear of actual examples of human rights abuses. By this I don't mean unsubstantiated stories from those with something to gain from this situation. I have two mates from Wagga who have worked at Woomera for extended periods of time who have never seen anything untoward happen to anyone in their custody.
As for your other point you are spot on the money. If we just let these people in there will be consequences down the track. Why are these people trying to get in without being screened? What do they have to hide? If they are true refugees why haven't they applied for that status in the first country they came upon? No, these people have cross a number of borders to come to Australia in particular, and have paid large sums of money to avoid the screening process, and we need to know why. Millions of peopl have migrated to Australia thru the correct channels, why do these people think they don't have too?
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Originally Posted by MrFriendly
I honestly don't know where the policy differs, but I've spend a lot of time in both cities and there's a very noticeable difference.
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Yeah there is a huge difference. This difference comes about from the relative difference in the muslim populations of Sydney and Melbourne. Don't worry, I'm not a muslim basher, but it is fact that young muslim men have extremely little respect for women, and only slightly higher respect for people of other cultures. In Melbourne europeans and asians make up a far greater percentage of the non-anglo saxon population, whereas in Sydney there are far more muslims. Don't think I'm on the money, please offer me a different theory.
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Originally Posted by spindles
I think Meri has a good point. Are we in a position to just open our borders to any comers? We certainly have the space...
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We don't actually. Our major cities are already dense and these people will never move out to the country.
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Originally Posted by spindles
Also, if we did make the camps a better place, would it really act as a disincentive for people coming illegally?
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The people who are coming into this coutry illegally have no idea that the camps exist i would say. Even if they did they would be more than preparred to live in a cell for 2 years to gain residency into Australia.