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Old 01-26-2007, 06:22 PM   #11 (permalink)
aceventura3
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Originally Posted by Elphaba
This is a non sequitur in that you presume there is only one of two positions to the formation of an economy.
There is in-fact class warfare occuring in Venezuela. To suggest the mention of it is absurd when you wrote...

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he oligarchy that Venesuela once was only enriched the very few and left everyone else in poverty.
strikes me as odd.



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When or if? Are you making the presumption that the skilled and educated are leaving the country based upon the article in your OP? I would like to see some support for that argument, if that is your position.
I think throughout history we have recorded events of mass migrations based on political upheaval. In fact the USA has benefitted from such events. Privilaged classes have been killed and have often left their countries of birth during "revolution" or major political/cultural cahnge. So, no, my views and my questions are based on my knowlegde of history (I am not an expert) and current events not one single article. What are your views based on?



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Cuba as a role model to Chavez? Surely you can't be serious. Venesuela is a social/democracy with a great revenue source from it's oil reserves. Cuba is a communist country that largely survived through the economic funding of the former Soviet Union. I have to agree with Jazz that you don't recognize the difference between communism and socialism.
Perhaps I don't understand what I read. But Chavez seems to have a great deal of respect for Castro and Cuba based on what I have been reading about Chavez over the last 6 months or so. If no one backs me up on this I will do some searches and get you some links.



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Yes. People will eventually revolt against an Oligarchy, as we did in November.
We don't share a common definition of the term revolt in the context of our November elections.

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t also further expands President Hugo Chavez's relationship with President Fidel Castro's communist government in Cuba. The deal was one of 16 agreements signed by Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage during a trip this week to Caracas.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...a-Cuba-Oil.php

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Chavez and Cuban Vice President Carlos Lage were expected to sign the deal during talks in Caracas, allowing low-income Venezuelan families to soak up the sun on the Caribbean island, said Tourism Minister Titina Azuaje.

The tourism program would benefit Venezuelans who are involved in newly created communal councils - neighbourhood-based groups that resolve local problems - and government-run programs called "missions", which provide education, subsidised food and health care for the poor.

The Venezuelan tourists would travel on Cuba's state-run airline Cubana de Aviacion, Azuaje said.

Since taking office in 1999, Chavez has forged strong political and trade ties with Cuba.

The Cuban government has sent Venezuela about 20,000 doctors to treat the poor under a program that started in 2003, while the island receives shipments of Venezuelan oil under preferential terms.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/travel/cu...594470095.html

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For a long time there was only one country in Latin America offering free health care to all its citizens. Now there are two. The governments of both countries regard health care as a basic human right. So Cuba, rich in health care, and Venezuela, rich in oil, have arranged a barter deal for the benefit of each population. This would seem to be a major historical example of beneficial free trade. Who could possibly object?
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?ItemID=7434

These were a few links from a GOOGLE search inputting Cuba and Venezuela.
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