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Old 01-03-2007, 06:27 PM   #13 (permalink)
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There is nothing wrong with seduction.

It is not a recent invention by society.

It just has recently been "coined," which brings up the controversy. It was previously known as courtship, which sounds a lot more civilized, but as we all know, when people shugar coat things, sometimes they are just avoiding the truth, which slows down the process of awareness.

Your parents did it, their parents did it, their parents' parents did it.

It is just a matter if you can be mature with your level of seduction or not.

There is not Black and White answer saying that it is ok or not ok.

It is up to the seducer and seducee to decide if the seduction is being devoleped in an acceptable manner.

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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct
These days, the guys who do it call themselves pickup artists and every last one of them is a sleazy asshole who would steal his best friend's girlfriend for bragging rights. The whole idea is about using social engineering to fuck someone who would normally not agree to hop into bed with you.
This is riddiculous. It is like saying that all women that have sex are "sluts."

Ya, maybe some Pickup artists are the type of guys to steal their best friend's girlfriend, but not all of them.

Especially not
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Originally Posted by MrSelfDestruct
every last one of them
I would say that more of them are the type of guys that would steal your girlfriend. Maybe that is why you have anger towards pickup artists. I don't really know.

You also cannot say that all guys that are into seduction these days call themselves Pickup Artists. For the most part the Pickup Artist community is in English.

Some Afghan dude in Afghanastan right now is trying to get in some Afghan chick's pants. Most likely he does not speak english let alone read articles on seduction.

His method of seduciton maybe to enslave the Afghan chick for life or something, I do not really know Afghan social customs, which is not a method of seduction I necessarily agree with, but he is still seducing. Using the social engineering his ancestors have designed to mate, which is a natural part of life.

I am not defending all Pickup Artists here. I am just saying that a rash generalization is made about them which is not always true.

Yes some guys do it strictly for bragging rights. These guys may also run businesses based on teaching seduction, which is how they make their living. Being up to date in their dating is pretty important if that is the case if they want to eat.

Some other guys are fucking shovinist assholes who think of all females as only a piece of vaginal meat. Most likely the type of girls that they are sleeping with, if they are sexually active, are a piece of sex meat. That is how they think of themselves, so that is how they present themselves in society. However, not all females are the same, thankfully.

There is a difference between a womanizer and a ladies-man.

I also do not see why using social engineering to get somebody to sleep with you who normaly would not is necessarialy wrong.

It is no different than buying flowers for your girlfriend or writting her a poem on valentines day to get a kiss. Some husbands buy their wives diamonds for blowjobs. That is perfectly acceptable in society. There are no laws against it and it is using social (matrimony) engineering to get sex.

To sum things up, seduction involves two parties. Each party is their own entity with their own standards and morals. They each have the capability to think and make decisions on their own unless it is a case with brain damage or something like a previous poster said.

If both parties do not agree with the other's standards/morals, there is no attraction present. One, or both will probably repel one another. With out attraction, seduction cannot even go on.

Note that I do not claim to be a pickup artist. I am just a regular guy that does not want to waste time, energy, or money in terms of gifts, on a woman that may or may not even give me sexual intercourse.

The decision is not up to me, because contrary to popular belief, thier pussy is exactly that, THEIR pussy. The majority of the time, the female has the generousity to make the decision that sexual intercourse happens in seduction. This is where the feminine power shit comes from in relationships where males shower females with gifts, maybe a ring, to gain affection and validation. However society is becoming conscious that this rarely equates to love and happiness with a fairytale ending. Usually the female gets fed up with receiving so much undeserved attention for being, well a female, and leaves the man breaking his heart, leaving his pocket book lighter. She is a human so she probably feels guilt, so this in a way hurts both parties, but the possibility of both finding hapiness again outweighs the pains.


This post is getting too long. I however do desire a sexually active relationship with a woman that I find attractive physically, spiritually, and mentally. True love does exist somewhere.
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