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Originally Posted by Telluride
This isn't the first time I've heard the enforcement of our immigration laws get compared to Nazi Germany. Here is the big, important difference: Jews in Nazi Germany were basically being arrested simply because they were Jews. Illegal immigrants and the companies that knowingly hire them are getting busted for breaking very legitimate laws.
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Well, that's a matter of opinion. Our hypocritical laws on immigration are tools not to protect us, but to maintain control over what is at it's very nature a slave race. Immigration is not as cut and dry as something like theft or murder, there really is a gray area there. In my experience, illegal immigrints are hard working, functional members of our society that honestly do help us in many ways. California has a very strong ag industry that rests squarely on the shoulders of men named Paco, Marcos, and Jose. I've had the pleasure of working with illegal immigrints several times and I would sooner deport many people to them. In other words, yes they are breaking a law, but the law is absurd and should be changed. I was out in the protests those months ago with my friends when kids walked out of their schools to show their political power. It was a very touching display of the civil power of a people.
I'm interested in IL being liberal and Pan being conservative on this topic.
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Originally Posted by Telluride
Please cite the law that the European settlers violated by moving to this nation.
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Murder, rape, biological warfare, and theft to start. We were the invading army that didn't care about the indegenous people to the point where we basically committed genocide. Before the Europeans began mass settlement in the 1500s, the Native American population in Central and North America was something like 112 million.
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Originally Posted by pan6467
Ok, let's say I am oooo a big Jelly company in Ohio. I used to use union farmworkers who made decent wages and went to their town and kept mom and pop places open because they had disposable income.
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...Unfortunately, the business' profits couldn't keep up with minimum wage and it looked as if the company was going to go bankrupt. Either way, the people working in the low positions were going to lose their jobs. Being backed into a corner, the Jelly Co. resorted to using immigrint labor. Productivity doubled in the first month and tripled by the third quarter. Profits soared and costs dropped off. The company purchased several dozen acres and expanded it's production capabilities. More immigrint workers were hired and the people who had lost their jobs were broguht back into managerial positions because of their expperience and ability to speak english.
I'm not sure how helpful hypothetical situations are here, but I know this situation or a situation just like it has happened many, many times.