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Gonth · 11-03-2006, 09:57 PM

oh boy! lets play "Have fun with statistics!"

I was waiting for this post. ^_^

This is intended to be read in a friendly and sarcastic manner by the way. I'm not trying to be mean. I just really don't like statistics.

According to a NRA website in a post from 9/26/2006.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=206&issue=007

There are more guns than ever before.
- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) estimates there were about 215 million guns in 1999
- The National Academy of Sciences puts the 1999 figure at 258 million

There are more states with Right-to-Carry laws than ever before. - 40

Right-to-Carry states had, on average, lower violent crime rates.
- total violent crime lower by 22%, murder by 30%, robbery by 46%, and aggravated assault by 12%.
--Here's a huge excel doc with crime rates from all 50 states, from the FBI site, that they apparently got these averages from. I didn't verify them because I'm lazy. ^_^ http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/d...ts/05tbl05.xls

According to the FBI website Violent crime rates from 2000-2004 have decreased by -8.1 percent.
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...violent_crime/

So, along with an increase in the number of people with guns, and laws allowing them to protect themselves. There has been a decrease in the overall violent crime rate. I arbitrarilly claim these are related so I win. Not really, thats a lie, but you see what I mean.

To MuadDib, yea, I do understand why the law is in place and that it could never possibly be the way I said. Admittedly, I was thinking about the time directly after a crime when they are still at the scene and not considering farther along. I suppose the irony of my pro gun stance is that I really don't think capital punishment is right. I didn't think of the fact that, in essence, killing them after the crime has been commited and they are leaving is captial punishment. Thanks actually, I now have a valid reason for stopping my "kill the bugger" stance where I should. I love TFP. Arguments are fun.

Where are you on using lethal force to prevent a robbery in general? Although I don't know how you'd rob someone without threatening them and therefore giving them the right to use lethal force to protect themselves....

holy science!, my posts are getting too big.

11-03-2006, 09:57 PM	#31 (permalink)
Gonth Upright Location: Home sweet home is Decatur GA, but currently schooling in Rochester NY	oh boy! lets play "Have fun with statistics!" I was waiting for this post. ^_^ This is intended to be read in a friendly and sarcastic manner by the way. I'm not trying to be mean. I just really don't like statistics. According to a NRA website in a post from 9/26/2006. http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=206&issue=007 There are more guns than ever before. - The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) estimates there were about 215 million guns in 1999 - The National Academy of Sciences puts the 1999 figure at 258 million There are more states with Right-to-Carry laws than ever before. - 40 Right-to-Carry states had, on average, lower violent crime rates. - total violent crime lower by 22%, murder by 30%, robbery by 46%, and aggravated assault by 12%. --Here's a huge excel doc with crime rates from all 50 states, from the FBI site, that they apparently got these averages from. I didn't verify them because I'm lazy. ^_^ http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/data/d...ts/05tbl05.xls According to the FBI website Violent crime rates from 2000-2004 have decreased by -8.1 percent. http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offen...violent_crime/ So, along with an increase in the number of people with guns, and laws allowing them to protect themselves. There has been a decrease in the overall violent crime rate. I arbitrarilly claim these are related so I win. Not really, thats a lie, but you see what I mean. To MuadDib, yea, I do understand why the law is in place and that it could never possibly be the way I said. Admittedly, I was thinking about the time directly after a crime when they are still at the scene and not considering farther along. I suppose the irony of my pro gun stance is that I really don't think capital punishment is right. I didn't think of the fact that, in essence, killing them after the crime has been commited and they are leaving is captial punishment. Thanks actually, I now have a valid reason for stopping my "kill the bugger" stance where I should. I love TFP. Arguments are fun. Where are you on using lethal force to prevent a robbery in general? Although I don't know how you'd rob someone without threatening them and therefore giving them the right to use lethal force to protect themselves.... holy science!, my posts are getting too big. __________________ You are the most important person in your world Last edited by Gonth; 11-03-2006 at 10:02 PM..