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http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...=1#post2142731
....Ustwo comments on his "disdain" for the "commitment" of Indonesia in it's cooperation with Mr. Bush's GWOT goals and definitions.......
Ustwo...this "story" comes from one of your own;
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...0/124459.shtml ...the site owned by L. Brent "the media is liberal biased" Bozell:
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By the NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...
Tuesday, Oct. 10, 2006 12:42 a.m. EDT
Al-Qaida Leader: Attack the White House
A man believed to be a top al Qaeda militant who escaped from a U.S. jail near Kabul was shown in a new videotape broadcast on Tuesday exhorting followers in Afghanistan to fight on until they attack the White House.
"Allah will not be pleased until we reach the rooftop of the White House," Abu Yahya al-Libi was shown telling fighters in the tape aired by the Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television.
The channel said the tape was one-hour long, showing footage of Libi urging fighters to train hard and even to try to acquire nuclear technology.
"You have to get well prepared by starting with exercise, and then you have to learn how to use technology until you are capable of nuclear weapons," he said.
Libi was shown in the footage bearded and wearing a long grey Muslim robe while standing in front of a group of fighters.
Libi is believed to be the alias of Libyan Mohammad Hassan who along with three other al Qaeda militants broke out of the U.S. jail at Bagram Air Base last year.
Analysts say he is an influential militant preacher, better known for recruiting fighters than for actual combat.
Arabiya said the authenticity of the tape could not be verified, but experts had told its bureau in Afghanistan the video was filmed in the southeast of the country.
British troops in Iraq said in September they killed one of the four al Qaeda escapees - Omar Faruq, one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants - in the city of Basra.
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<b>I recalled that only one "top al Qaeda militant", suspiciously escaped from a US prison in Bagram, Afghanistan, in July ,2005. Now...even though it is reported that the British killed the "top al Qaeda militant", 2005 Bagram escapee.....Omar al-Farouq (or Faruq).... here comes another one....</b>
Seems more like the repetitive pattern of recycled US government propaganda designed to terrorize the American people, than it seems like actual reporting of real threats against targets in the US, by "real" foreign terrorists.....
.....if the threats were real, were legitimate...wouldn't our leaders be presenting the "bad guys", and the threat in a deliberate and clear way....no surprises.....like this new "replacement killer", Abu Yahya al-Libi .
You could act a bit less smug in your certainty Ustwo,,,,and patiently and repeatedly explain what is really going on in the GWOT, to the rest of us. How do you "know" that our government is "doing a better job", fighting the "terrorists", than Indonesia's government is? Didn't they capture Omar al-Farouq and then swiftly hand him over to the US CIA? Didn't al-Farouq escape while in US custody, and didn't the US then keep that development secret, even from the Indonesian officials? Do you "know" that al-Farouq was a big al-Qaida "fish" before he escaped, and a "little fish" after?
When did Abu Yahya al-Libi transform from one of "three other prisoners" who escaped from Bagram with al-Farouq, into "A man believed to be a top al Qaeda militant"? When newsmax.com said so.....or....?
I'm amused by your faith in our leaders, and your disapproval of Indonesia's efforts to combat "jihadist terrorists".....I'm also vey disturbed by it. I submit that you lack the information neccessary to make the assessments that you regularly make. I suspect that our own government is full of shit, and that there is no "terrorist threat" to the US <b>that rises to the level of justification of accumulated expenditure</b> of blood and money, attention and concern, that it has been receiving for the past five years. A legitimate GWOT and it's management, would not yield so little accomplisment for so much expense, after this long of a period, and the US leadership would not look so similar to pathological liars, thieves, and war criminals, as they do to a growing number of us....if this GWOT was really a long, long, war, and not a political propaganda and a wealth and resources diversion scheme......
<b>Would we, after five years....if there were the "terrorist sleeper cells" that Mr. Bush tired to scare us with his descriptions of, after 9/11....
.....be reduced to Mr. Negroponte being able to tout only one in his Feb. 2006 senate testimony...the one in Lodi, CA, that <a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/enemywithin/view/">PBS Frontline soon demolished</a>? Would Mr. Mueller be reduced to saying this, in 2005?:</b>
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http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress...ller021605.htm
......Looking ahead, there are three areas that cause us the greatest concern.
First is the threat from covert operatives who may be inside the U.S. who have the intention to facilitate or conduct an attack. Finding them is a top priority for the FBI, but it is also one of the most difficult challenges. The very nature of a covert operative -- trained to not raise suspicion and to appear benign -- is what makes their detection so difficult.
Mr. Chairman, while we are proud of our accomplishments this year and the additional insight we have gained into al-Qa'ida's activity, I remain very concerned about what we are not seeing.......
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Ustwo.... you've been "had", and the hyped bullshit that you've absorbed into your thinking, provides you with "clarity" that is not contained in the messages from your president and his administration...not when the words come out of their mouths, and certainly not after they are spun into "on message" talking points. If there was substance to the "threat" that would justify a doubling of the US defense budget, thousands of US soldiers and foreing nationals killed, huge "off-budget" federal appropriations for fighting the "long war", and offenses against the US bill of rights like the Patriot Acts, and the elimination, last week, of Habeus Corpus protection for all who are accused, it would not come down to the feeble crap from Negroponte and Mueller, and the "stay the course" flip flop from Mr. Bush to disguise the failure of his unnecessary and irrelevant "side trip" into an Iraqi quagmire....
.......Bush's GWOT is pathetic in the transparency of it's actual motivation and it's failure to find Bin Laden, WMD, or domestic sleeper cells, or even to weaken the US invented bogeyman, "al Qaeda". In my frustration with this psy-op exposed as nonsense, I will continue to appeal to you to take stock at how foolish you look for buying into and promoting a "certainty" that there is any substance at all, to Mr. Bush's earlier resolve to "smoke em out", to "git em on the run".... The only ones on the run, are the declining number of folks who still react to the "fear" element of the GWOT "message". Everyone else who is still listening, is....at this late date...... only in it "for the money".
....more from the Nov. 14, 2005 Newseek article in the OP of this thread:
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9938331/site/newsweek/page/2/
....U.S. officials believe that Faruq and his three companions likely had some inside help, perhaps from local hires at the base. Two U.S. counterterrorism officials also sought to play down Faruq's importance. One official, who would speak only if he were not identified, said Faruq had been held elsewhere in the secret U.S. detention system overseas but was then transferred to Bagram, which normally houses ordinary foot soldiers in the jihadist movement.
Yet this seemed to contradict previous accounts in which Bush administration officials—before Faruq got away—emphasized his stature in Al Qaeda. "He was the top Qaeda guy in Southeast Asia," says Zachary Abuza, an expert on Asian jihadist groups at Simmons College in Boston. "He was one of first guys who was part of the CIA's rendition program," in which terror suspects are ferried abroad.
The Indonesians also believe Faruq is quite a big fish—and still very dangerous. Born in Kuwait, Faruq married into the family of a founder of Jemaah Islamiah, a regional terrorist group blamed for deadly suicide bombings on Bali in 2002 and again last month, among other terror attacks. In June 2002, Indonesian intelligence officers arrested Faruq and handed him over to U.S. officials. They have come to regret it. Because the Bush administration has viewed this as a war without traditional rules, it has largely denied Jakarta and other governments legal access to detainees like Faruq. Jakarta repeatedly requested—but never got—the right to question Faruq to support its legal case against the alleged spiritual leader of Jemaah Islamiah, Abu Bakar Bashir. Partly as a result, Indonesian prosecutors were never able to prove that Bashir headed Jemaah Islamiah, and in 2004 he was sentenced to only 30 months.
Much remains to be learned about the great escape from Bagram. But the tale may bolster the case of those who argue that handling detainees in such an extralegal, secretive way is only hurting the antiterror campaign. After a few months, most detainees are milked of all intelligence value and are useful mainly as witnesses, terror experts say. "There has got to be some resolution," says the CIA official. Omar al-Faruq, at least, may have found a way to resolve his own case.
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http://rss.msnbc.msn.com/id/9893201/from/RL.5/
U.S.: Afghan prison security tighter after escape
Alleged al-Qaida operative on the loose; Indonesian officials criticize U.S.
Updated: 9:56 a.m. CT Nov 2, 2005
KABUL, Afghanistan - Security has been tightened at the U.S. military prison in Afghanistan following the escape of a suspected al-Qaida leader, a U.S. official said Wednesday. Indonesian anti-terrorism officials accused Washington of failing to tell them of the breakout.
Omar al-Farouq, born in Kuwait to Iraqi parents, was considered one of Osama bin Laden’s top lieutenants in Southeast Asia until Indonesian authorities captured him in 2002 and turned him over to the United States.
.....Terror fears in Indonesia
An Indonesian anti-terrorism official, Maj. Gen. Ansyaad Mbai, on Wednesday sharply criticized the U.S. government for failing to inform authorities there that al-Farouq was no longer behind bars.
“We know nothing about the escape of Omar al-Farouq,” he said. “He is a dangerous terrorist for us, his escape will increase the threat of terrorism in Indonesia.
“We need to coordinate security here as soon as possible to anticipate his return,” he said. “The escape of al-Farouq could bring fresh wind to the operation of terrorism and could energize the new movement of terrorist actors in Southeast Asia and the world.”
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, asked by CNN about how the four escaped and Mbai’s comments to the AP that Indonesia was not informed, said: “I don’t know all the facts of this particular incident. Obviously, we consider this a very serious problem and one we’d have to look into the details of.”
A top security consultant in Jakarta played down concerns that al-Farouq would make his way back to Southeast Asia and rejoin Jemaah Islamiyah, the regional terrorist group linked to al-Qaida.
“He’s Iraqi after all. If he’s not hiding out (in Afghanistan or Pakistan), he’s probably headed to Iraq to join the fight there,” said Ken Conboy, who recently published a book on Jemaah Islamiyah.......
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<b>In depth background story on Omar al-Farouq's life and death:</b>
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http://www.hamiltonspectator.com/NAS...=1112188062620
The dramatic story of Omar al-Farouq who escaped one of the most heavily guarded prisons on Earth to die in a hail of bullets on a visit to his sick mother.
By Justin Huggler
The Independent
(Sep 30, 2006)
Terrorist or victim?.....
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http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...s&ct=clnk&cd=9
Oct 10, 3:24 PM EDT
DNA Shows Dead Man Was al-Qaida Militant
By DAVID RISING
Associated Press Writer
BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) -- DNA tests have confirmed that a man shot to death by British forces was a leading al-Qaida militant who embarrassed the U.S. military by making an unprecedented escape from a maximum-security military prison in Afghanistan, the U.S. command said Tuesday.
Omar al-Farouq was shot and killed Sept. 25 after he opened fire on British forces during a raid on his home in Basra, 340 miles southeast of Baghdad.
British forces had said at the time that they had hoped to capture the suspect, but had returned fire on him when he started shooting at them.
"After taking photographs and gathering DNA evidence from the individual, ground forces left the suspected terrorist remains at the site," the U.S. military said. "It was later determined through DNA gathered the individual killed was Omar al-Farouq."
Al-Farouq, who allegedly led al-Qaida's Southeast Asia operations, had slipped into Iraq three months earlier, according to police. It was not known why al-Farouq fled to Iraq, but officials have said he was born in Kuwait to Iraqi parents and may have had roots in the area.
He and three other al-Qaida suspects escaped from Bagram, in central Afghanistan, in July 2005, picking locks and navigating a minefield, then evading a massive manhunt.
The escaped prisoners later appeared in a video sent to the Dubai-based television station Al-Arabiya and boasted of their feat.
The Pentagon waited until November to confirm his escape and the delay upset Indonesia, which had arrested al-Farouq in 2002 and turned him over to the United States.
Al-Farouq has been linked to thwarted plots on U.S. embassies in Southeast Asia, and is alleged to have been a key link between al-Qaida and regional terrorists.
On hearing the initial reports of his death, his Indonesia wife said she almost fainted, but then wondered if the news was true. "I still have faith he is still alive," Mira Agustina told el-Shinta radio at the time.
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