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Originally Posted by Ustwo
You compare buying a Nintendo and getting a Tatoo as valid arguments against having a child yet those of us who have them give nothing but bullshit arguments?  |
See I wrote words in complete sentences so that people could read and understand them, not skim and surmise their own version. I was using them as examples of having temporary urges, which I talked on with great detail and you managed to completely ignore anyway, and to not give in immediately to an urge that directly contradicts long-standing personal choices.
I also, thanks again for skimming and not actually reading, didn't say people gave nothing but bullshit arguments. I said the argument of "you don't know the joy" is an emotional argument, and therefore total nonsense. You cannot make a valid argument based on an emotional opinion. Period. THAT is what I said, quite clearly.
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What do you think having a child is, some sort of risk/reward argument that you can put on a sheet of pros and cons and come to a conclusion?
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Yeah, actually, it is. People make pro/con lists all the time for having a child. I think it's very important and smart for people to have realistic conversations that detail the issues they may face as parents. Are you suggesting no one should ever consider the negatives of having a child? The decision to have a child is hardly a decision that should be made hastily or without consideration.
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We of course know a number of childless couples, they have done their best to overthink their way out of having children, and I feel sorry for them. One of my best friends is one of these people, and its pathetic and sad seeing his wife treat their dog like a child and not being aware of the substitution.
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You've gotta be fucking kidding me. You talk down to childfree couples like they're ignorant and pathetic? I feel sorry for you that having children has permanently fucked up your mental processes into thinking you're better than everyone because you've managed to pull off the banal, uneventful, and completely mindless task of procreation. Congratulations on accomplishing what people in caves and all mammals in existence for all time figured out how to do without any brainpower whatsoever. Yeah. Wow. That's special. How unique. Thumbs up. Gold star. Maybe I should hand out trophies because you eventually figured out which hole it goes in.
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On the other hand the people not having kids ARE the ones thinking about consequences, and ironically they would be the best parents but they talk them self out of it, paralyzed by their own fears.
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So now the conscious decision to not have kids makes us cowards? Is this another one of those emotional opinions that counts as a valid argument again? Because I need to keep tabs on which emotional opinions used as arguments by parents slip by the universal rule of "emotional opinions don't make valid arguments".
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
Anyone who knows me, knows that I will beat you down for any opinion based on emotionalism.
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And yet somehow having a child suddenly doesn't apply to this.
Parents actively disregard the fact that their opinions are based, built, and structured on emotions. Look at the argument here. You'll destroy an argument based on emotions- but oh no! Here comes an argument about
children based on emotions. Oh, that's ok. Because it's about children. Forget that nonsense. There are a million and nine issues for which a person would have nothing but emotionaly-based opinions. The issue of "children" doesn't get a free pass from the same judgment just because they're fucking children.