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Originally Posted by highthief
I have zero sympathy for these dogs. Hanging is too good for them if the allegations are half way accurate. They plotted to kill me. And you. And you and you and anyone else who might have been at the TSX or CN Tower on a given day. Your family. Couching their desire to kill us, our friends and families, in some sort of noble terms of fostering change is, IMO, wrong.
If guilty, I hope they rot.
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Don't get me wrong. If they are guilty, they should get the maximum coming to them.
I was trying to examine and understand where the desire to do something like this come from... especially when you are a teenager raised in Canada.
Most teenagers are fucked up. It doesn't take much to exploit the rage and roiling hormones that make up most teenagers. I was not trying to make them seem noble. They are just the opposite if all of this is true. What I am trying to say is that
in their own minds they can see themselves as doing "good" work. It's sick and twisted but it isn't far from the youth who go to "anti proverty" protests. They are angry with the system and want change. Most of them won't be blowing up bits of Toronto to do this. They will protest and then work within the system to bring change. That's what youth do. I have no sympathy for the adults whatsoever.
The fact is, that if the youth involved are guilty of this, they may have been under the influence adults BUT they are ultimately reponsible for their actions (just as a raging teen that smashes daddy's car is responsible for the family he kills when he gets in an accident while drag racing).
While I am not completely surprised by the appearence of alleged terrorists in our midst I am still generally surprised. These people are generally prosperous. Living in a country where they are free to practice their religion. Canada's foreign policy is almost non-existant. We support the war on terror but not Iraq. Our precense in Afghanistan is generally one that is viewed as a positive one.
If these men are guilty, like I said, throw the book at them.
My worry is that it will play out just like the Air India bombings.
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Originally Posted by Sticky
I think that they are also very proud of themselves.
They must have been weorking on this for a long time. In fact the counter terrorism groups around the world have been in high gear since 9/11. It must be exciting for them to make a bust like this for a few reasons:
- They see that their efforts are not being expended for nothing
- They feel like they have done something good
- They caught the bad guys (or who the investigation pointed to being the bad guys - nobody is bad until proven guilty, right)
- And if any of these guys like comparing themselves to Americans favorably: they did it without war.
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I can agree with that. It just seemed a bit over the top. It set off my bullshit detector. Like I said, I am mostly on the side that wants to take this at face value. It's the niggling doubt that is making me ask some questions.