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Old 01-07-2006, 08:16 PM   #23 (permalink)
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ya know, I'd respond point by point to this, but you've never shot a CETME, or a G3, or anything like it, and therefore have no real basis besides to form any sort of counter argument...

so why bother?




actually, I'll respond a little bit.


cetme = g3 they're virtually the same thing, so lets not split hairs here. the cetme is softer shooting, any g3 can be the exact same way with a simple buffer.

I think the M1A triggers and FAL triggers might be a bit better, because the CETME family is the only one that uses actual military parts (I seem to remember some big changes having to be made to the FAL design to get it into the country, as it would be very easy to make full-auto otherwise, this could very well have resulted in civilian only trigger parts that did'nt have that military 15 pound pull, just a theory tho, I'll research a bit more) and the M1A is not a military rifle.


and yes the JLD enterprises clones are regarded as being more accurate than HK guns, that;s a fact, the heavy barrel that JLD uses also keeps it a wee bit more heat resistant.

while ROF may not be desirable in a battle rifle, it does become an issue when used as a squad automatic weapon which these could have to do.

I'd admit to shooting a full auto G3 if it wasn't illegal. but it is, so I would have never come across one, so not coming across one I couldnt tell you that shooting it wasnt as bad as many make it out to be. was controllable if you kept it within reason (don't go blowing off a whole mag)


as for the extractor thing, well, how does the fact that it doesnt need all its part to operate properly NOT make it a shoe in for the reliability gold medal?

I'm not saying a FAL won't operate in some pretty adverse conditions, but keep this in mind. The more you crank up that gas system, the more wear and tear there is on the gun AND the shooter. No such adjustments necessary with inertia delayed roller locking firearms, just shoot and shoot. No gas system to maintain either.


Now, why you would want to pay more for a gun thats cheaper to make, well, because its better.
Let's keep in mind here exactly what is the gold standard in semi-auto rifle accuracy.
It's not a National Match variant M14... (although it could be certainly)
It's CERTAINLY not the FAL...
It is the PSG-1, a roller locking firearm with a stamped receiver. That's the gold standard for accuracy from a semi-automatic weapon.

Now, seeing as how you;ve never actually SHOT a cetme and are getting all of your information second hand from internet sites, I'll prove just what a big guy I am and tell you the achilles heel of the roller locking system.

brass.

ammunition.

the system works so well, that if there is any weakness in the cartridge casing the gun will simply rip it apart.

thats the flaw.

did gun.ru mention that?


I'm not saying the FAL is a bad weapon, quite the contrary, I think it is quite good. Not many people realize just how close it came to being 'the gun that came after the garand', and personally, I think the United States would have stuck with the 7.62 round a bit longer if we had.


now, longbough, seriously, get your ass out there and beg borrow or steal a g3/cetme and shoot the fucking thing.

then tell me what you think.
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