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Originally Posted by hrandani
My original point was that you are grossly misusing the term 'estrus'. It is not meant to be applied to the human species, there is in fact a there is a phylogenic differentation on that exact point, that humans do not have estrus.
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I don't think anyone is saying that humans have a biochemicaly identical cycle of fertility to animals. We know tha humans do not have an estrus exactly like animals. What this conversation is about is if some women have something similar in symptom to estrus.
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Originally Posted by hrandani
My other point still stands, however, is that what you are proposing creeps me the fuck out.
'Progress'?
You should recognize the fact that what you are proposing is more or less taking advantage of people based on their hormonal level, and it is a slippery slope from there to slipping a drug into a drink, buying alcohol; even date-rape from that point.
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This I consider to be a gross exaggeration. In order to understand why, you must break down what it means to consent. Let's say that a woman goes out for a night on the town right after a break up. She is emotionally suceptable to the rebound relationship or even stress releiving sex. She is emotionally suceptable, and any man who can see this could use it to their advantge, but that is not rape, as she is consenting. Let's say that a woman goes to a man's house and watches porn. She becomes aroused and they have sex. She consented, therefore it was not rape. Both of these situations involved a form of subtle manipulation, but that does not make it rape. Rape is the crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse. What lampajoo was asking about is not rape, legally speaking.
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Originally Posted by hrandani
Yeah. You heard me. Rape. What you are proposing is non-consensual sex, that is, normally they would not agree to have sex with you, but you are manipulating the situation and finessing it to a point where the odds are most in your favor. Some would simply stop at calling that unethical, but I think you need to get your head checked.
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Do you know how my wife and I met? She was attracted to me because I was playing the piano (and my striking figure). Had I not been playing the piano, she probably would not have approached me. Am I guilty of raping my wife?
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Originally Posted by hrandani
Call me an idealist or a strict biologist, but I maintain the position that if you are having sex with someone it should be from either love or a willingness to raise children together, and preferably both. Those qualities are attained over a period of time, not due to remote-sensoring of temperature. The level of sensory equipment that you are proposing sounds a lot like stalking to me, because the only part of a woman that changes temperature during the course of the month is the genitalia, and information like that isn't readily available to the common public.
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Actually, I'd call you an exaggerator, and probably someone who has personal connections with the issue of rape. Lust is the biochemical reason to have sex with someone. Procreation is the inate reason to have sex. Philosophy is the 'love' reason to have sex.
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Originally Posted by hrandani
Try imagining telling a woman that you've been monitoring her temperature for the best time to get her to agree to a quick fuck - over the course of months, as you say. Most women aren't going to like that, so it seems you aren't interested in cultivating any sort of relationship with her. That bothers me on a deep level.
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I remember a night back in high school when I was at a bar (I know I wasnt 21, but at least I was over 18). Some friends and I went to a bar around the corner because we were good friends with several bouncers and the manager. We hung out and tried our lame pick ups on women there. Want to know something strange that happened? A woman picke up on me! Yes, an 18 year old boy was picked up on by what I can only guess was a woman in her mid to late 20s. She was quite attactive and quite aggressive. Do you think she was approaching me (on a conscious level) for love, procreation, or sex? She was looking for a 'quick fuck'. I didn't because I don't like herpies, but I could have. She probably wouldn't have called.
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Originally Posted by hrandani
Mods can edit, remove this post or ban me, but this is something I feel very strongly about. Ita vero.
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I have no interst in seeing your post edited or removed or you being banned. I hope that you read my opposing view and consider it. Yes, indeed.