lampajoo

Females are more sexually aroused while in estrus(their most fertile time of the month.) Unfortunately, for males, human females hide their estrus. Can anyone think of a technique for _remotely_ detecting estrus in humans? I've mulled over making body temperature measurements through out the month and figuring it out that way but getting the level of accuracy required without direct physical contact is pretty difficult.

healer

Aside from going up to them and going "Is you horny darling?", I don't think it'll work. Maybe if you said in an Ali G kinda voice...

I don't know anything about estrus, but surely there has been some kind of study performed concerning the subject? things like hormone levels, temperature, days since last period etc. will prolly all play a role.

Why would you wanna know when they're most sexually aroused anyways? It's so much more fun getting them redhot from a cold start

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hrandani

Humans don't have estrus. That is the entire point.

Women don't go into heat, they're receptive year-round. Sorta.

That is really creepy, maybe you should try you know, talking to them first before you make plans to take remote survelliance of their body temperatures. Although it would be funny to watch a guy seduce a girl with a fever, thinking she's a sure thing. There's more to success with women than the other party being horny, for christ's sake. We're not animals. Plus, your initial concept is flawed - some women get horny at different times in their cycle, it's not uniform.

HiWayMan

No need to bust his balls. Hell, I've wondered the same thing a time or two. Maybe we should all just wear a little name tag that says: "Hi, I'm John/Jane. I'm horny. Wanna fuck?". Life would be much less stressful this way.

Jinn

you do realize that *although* they get hornier, they can also get MEANER...? I don't think remote temperature monitoring is going to help your pursuit at all, to be honest..

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Furry

There's a study out there somewhere that has a negative correlation between average skin-coverage and menstural cycle stage: The closer to ovulation a woman is, (on average) the more skin is bared.

*Googles like hell to try and find the linky*

Bingo.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...41/ai_n6032942

I won't quote here, it goes on for 6 pages. Enjoy...

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volover

This would cut down on alcohol sold nation-wide. Why can't we do things the simple way

lampajoo

"Humans don't have estrus. That is the entire point."
"We're not animals."

While it is anecdotal evidence I've talked to a few women who have confirmed that at certain points in their cycle they are "hornier" than normal. Human's have _hidden_ estrus. That it doesn't exist is one of the great lies, propogated, I suspect, in order to view ourselves as some how distinct from other mammals...the whole false human/animal dichotomy. A woman can't get pregnant 365 days a year, but if they hide their estrus they can get us to pay attention to them all the time. I grant you that it's controversial and that the increase in receptivity is marginal. If I'm only trying to hit on one woman than this is not going to be that useful, but if I can tell which females in an area are in estrus then I can focus on those and this marginal increase could translate to real results.

"There's a study out there somewhere that has a negative correlation between average skin-coverage and menstural cycle stage: The closer to ovulation a woman is, (on average) the more skin is bared."

Yeah, I've heard about the skin coverage thing. I think we, as men, already factor that in to our mental equation. I'm just trying to step this process up by using technology.

"I don't know anything about estrus, but surely there has been some kind of study performed concerning the subject? things like hormone levels, temperature, days since last period etc. will prolly all play a role."

There are lots of subtle changes in the female body when they are ovulating...the question is: how to detect them?

"Although it would be funny to watch a guy seduce a girl with a fever, thinking she's a sure thing."

If the body temperature technique were to be used then you wouldn't just look for high temperatures. You would take multiple readings over a 1-2 month period and then determine it by looking at the fluxuations. Given that people generally go to the same places over and over again this would not be difficult. A small device could be built that would use facial recognition to track identity and the whole process could be automated.

"No need to bust his balls. Hell, I've wondered the same thing a time or two."

It doesn't bother me. There will always be people trying to stand in the way of progress.

Redlemon

So... your plan is to remotely monitor some girl for a couple of months until you are sure that she is at her horniest state, then attempt to sleep with her?

Whatever happened to conversation?

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dlish

just find out when her menstrual cycle is nd calculate every 28 days (if shes regular) and coincide your visits then.. i gues that'll be your best chance of finding them 'on heat'

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Ustwo

I've been with my share of women, and they were all somewhat different in WHEN they were most horny. I've had some that were very horny durring their period, others who were horny right after, and still others that were horny right before (that covers 3 of the 4 weeks).

Sometimes they don't seem to be that horny for months, other times they can't get enough.

What it boils down to is that any attempt to improve ones chances by monitoring this is going to fail. What gets one laid is confidence, not using a tri-corder.

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Giant Hamburger

Have you considered the Baboon?

Color and size of the sexual skin track the estrous cycle. During the 7 day prelude to estrus (proestrus), sexual skin is black with a pink tinge and beginning to inflate. Estrus stage of c. 10 days follows, when sexual skin is fully swollen and bright pink. In 2 to 3 days after ovulating, deflation begins and within 7 days sexual skin becomes flat and black again, remaining in this stage (anestrus) for 9 days, during which menstruation occurs, usually invisibly. Then the estrous cycle begins anew.

I doubt your are going to find any humans with giant inflated pink asses at the club.
I could be wrong.

ShaniFaye

Im a female....I most def go in "heat" hehehehe during my period. Im insatiable sexually and enjoy it a lot more "animalistic" fortunately Im with a man that loves that and period sex doesnt bother him in the slightest. Usually several days before its really hard for me to get aroused.

lol and Dave doesnt have to guess, he can always tell....usually when he wakes up in the middle of the nite with my mouth around his dick

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Mr_Tickles

how many men reading this just heard themselves think "lucky bastard..."

*sigh*

Grasshopper Green

Hail, Giant Hamburger!

That post was very amusing. My son at me strangely and then ran away when I burst out laughing.

As for the OP...every woman is different, and not every woman is most aroused during ovulation. If you *really* want to track it, and completely freak a girl out at the same time, get an ovulation predicting test.

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Willravel

I have to back you up on this. You are right that many human females have a quasi-estrus, or have a usualyl inconsistant cycle of arousal that can fit into their cycle. The problem is that the sure ways to find it are difficult and expensive. One way would be to measure the levles of pheremones that she is giving off (does she smell a bit gamey?). Unfortunatally, one cannot use the unaided human nose for such a test.

tecoyah

The Neck...seriously, Light touch on the nape of the neck. If there is a reaction, as in vocal or raising of gooseflesh/loosening of back muscles....she can be ...uh....appraoched. As for the timing....hell if I know.

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Ustwo

Does that mean when my uncles used to tickle the nape of my neck it really meant I was approachable?

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hrandani

My original point was that you are grossly misusing the term 'estrus'. It is not meant to be applied to the human species, there is in fact a there is a phylogenic differentation on that exact point, that humans do not have estrus.

My other point still stands, however, is that what you are proposing creeps me the fuck out.
'Progress'?

You should recognize the fact that what you are proposing is more or less taking advantage of people based on their hormonal level, and it is a slippery slope from there to slipping a drug into a drink, buying alcohol; even date-rape from that point.

Yeah. You heard me. Rape. What you are proposing is non-consensual sex, that is, normally they would not agree to have sex with you, but you are manipulating the situation and finessing it to a point where the odds are most in your favor. Some would simply stop at calling that unethical, but I think you need to get your head checked.

Call me an idealist or a strict biologist, but I maintain the position that if you are having sex with someone it should be from either love or a willingness to raise children together, and preferably both. Those qualities are attained over a period of time, not due to remote-sensoring of temperature. The level of sensory equipment that you are proposing sounds a lot like stalking to me, because the only part of a woman that changes temperature during the course of the month is the genitalia, and information like that isn't readily available to the common public.

Try imagining telling a woman that you've been monitoring her temperature for the best time to get her to agree to a quick fuck - over the course of months, as you say. Most women aren't going to like that, so it seems you aren't interested in cultivating any sort of relationship with her. That bothers me on a deep level.

Mods can edit, remove this post or ban me, but this is something I feel very strongly about. Ita vero.

Willravel

I don't think anyone is saying that humans have a biochemicaly identical cycle of fertility to animals. We know tha humans do not have an estrus exactly like animals. What this conversation is about is if some women have something similar in symptom to estrus.
This I consider to be a gross exaggeration. In order to understand why, you must break down what it means to consent. Let's say that a woman goes out for a night on the town right after a break up. She is emotionally suceptable to the rebound relationship or even stress releiving sex. She is emotionally suceptable, and any man who can see this could use it to their advantge, but that is not rape, as she is consenting. Let's say that a woman goes to a man's house and watches porn. She becomes aroused and they have sex. She consented, therefore it was not rape. Both of these situations involved a form of subtle manipulation, but that does not make it rape. Rape is the crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse. What lampajoo was asking about is not rape, legally speaking.
Do you know how my wife and I met? She was attracted to me because I was playing the piano (and my striking figure). Had I not been playing the piano, she probably would not have approached me. Am I guilty of raping my wife?
Actually, I'd call you an exaggerator, and probably someone who has personal connections with the issue of rape. Lust is the biochemical reason to have sex with someone. Procreation is the inate reason to have sex. Philosophy is the 'love' reason to have sex.
I remember a night back in high school when I was at a bar (I know I wasnt 21, but at least I was over 18). Some friends and I went to a bar around the corner because we were good friends with several bouncers and the manager. We hung out and tried our lame pick ups on women there. Want to know something strange that happened? A woman picke up on me! Yes, an 18 year old boy was picked up on by what I can only guess was a woman in her mid to late 20s. She was quite attactive and quite aggressive. Do you think she was approaching me (on a conscious level) for love, procreation, or sex? She was looking for a 'quick fuck'. I didn't because I don't like herpies, but I could have. She probably wouldn't have called.
I have no interst in seeing your post edited or removed or you being banned. I hope that you read my opposing view and consider it. Yes, indeed.

SERPENT7

Originally Posted by hrandani
"Mods can edit, remove this post or ban me, but this is something I feel very strongly about. Ita vero."

Only fascists censor based on idealogical content.
Mods are not fascists.
Therefore you have nothing to worry about.

SERPENT7

Also,
The concept behind the OP is not rape, but it is creepy.

Humans do not experience estrus in the technical sense. As a a matter of fact, Humans and bats are the only 2 species in the Animal Kingdom that do not.

fresnelly

I'll bite. What are Bat mating habits like? What can we learn from our Bat-friends? Seriously!

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SERPENT7

Bats mate year-round. They have no way to signal potential mates, and do not compete with each other for access to mates.
They seem to mate most frequently when the flock they are with is about 75% through thier 'sleep' period. (Fewer interruptions) They are also the only animal to be observed mating out of boredom. (How this was determined, i do not know.) Nor do they pair-bond. (How romantic!)

Furry

Hang on, what about dolphins - I'm pretty sure they have sex for pleasure too...

And how can one tell if a bat is bored or not?

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Acetylene

Hrandini: SECOND!

This is totally disgusting. Dude, if you can't get any, maybe it is because you are a creepy bastard and not because the women you approach are not in heat.

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Jinn

This is one of those A implies B, B imples C, A implies C argument.. and its fatally flawed. There are plently of people who censor beased on idealogical content.. and they're not all fascists.

Furthermore, George Orwell and I tend to agree on the point:

" ... the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox hunting, bullfighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley's broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else."

Realistically, you're describing everyone. In its strictest (and overused sense), we're ALL fascists, and do not necessarily censor ideas. So the logical implication A->B does not hold.

On the discussion at hand-- there is certainly a fine line between manipulation to ensure success and rape (date rape). They're both effective from a breeding standpoint, as anything that helps you suceed in mating is a good thing. HOWEVER, as humans, we subdue those primal insticts in favor of civility. The line of civility is again thin, but I think most of the population regards manipulation with FORETHOUGHT and INTENT as being unethical. If you watch a porn with a girl, simply becuase you enjoy it and you think she might enjoy it, and it ends up in sex.. that's one thing. But if you plan, before hand, to watch porn -- knowing that it will make her more desirous.. society would frown on that. These are both inner feelings, and cannot be analysed by anyone but the original thinker.

Personally, I think predictively monitoring a woman's menstrual cycle in an effort to map "peak-hornyness" is something that only true scientests should be doing. If you're doing it with the FORETHOGUHT and INTENT to make a girl sleep with you, then its simultaneously unethical and creepy.

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hrandani

You're spot on as far as my personal prejudicies, and I'm not talking about the legality, but the morality, of the situation.

I may be exaggerating a bit in some of my claims, and while I agree with you, willravel, there's a definite but sometimes elusive point at which you cross the line. Most people don't have a problem with a guy subtly inducing a girl into various stages of inebriation in order to ascertain a more certain possibility of sex, but most people would also have a problem with the same situation, except slipping certain chemicals in one of said beverages.

Willravel

In tha case I partially agree with you.
Morally, this is at least questionable. You have to remember, this guy will not be able to detect a womans 'heat' mechanically unless he has excelt resources and finances. If I were a betting man, I'd say this idea starts and ends with this thread. Because I believe that to be the case, I see this as no different than watching porn, as far as morality is concerned.

Locobot

They do sell remote thermometer devices that will give you the temperature of something at a certain distance and depth. My friend has one, he does auto repair but I always seem him using it as a meat thermometer. It looks like a raygun. "honey, why do you keep pointing that at my crotch?" lol

Trying to figure out when women are receptive to sex is pretty much what men spend most of their time doing and is not tantamount to rape. As has been already pointed out though there are much clearer signals than what is suggested in this thread.