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Shauk · 11-14-2005, 05:15 AM

Ok so... I'm not sure where to put this thread, this seems like the best bet.

A little about me.

26 male. Will be re-enrolling into a school for game design and the like. Have always been very interested in gaming platforms as a powerful tool to create worlds and overall, convey content. As such, I play PC and Console games quite regularly as my "offtime" hobby.

I'd like to think of myself as fairly stable. I have no problems meeting my bills, I hold a car payment on an $11,000 sedan, have been in a relationship with my girlfriend for 4 years, we also live together, and have pretty much settled into making long term plans with eachother.

Now. That aside.

I'm also very interested in electronic music (as it is often used in games, but I tend to like the more orchestrated music these days) and the more I researched it as I was growing up, I found out about the rave culture and the fact that these were like Concerts, except, actually for electronic music instead.

Perfect, just what someone like me would like to go to.

I also took up the hobby of DJing, released plenty of Mix cd's and the like, had a solid base of people who really enjoyed what I did.

fast forward 5 years later.
I've pissed everyone in the local area off with my rejection of thier attitude that the music is secondary, and after getting to know a lot of people over those 5 years, seeing a lot of them burn out on drug use. I've never taken drugs, and I have a very strong stance against them being tied to the music scene as "Genre specific"

Example, if someone has a news story on "Exstacy" it will always be followed up with a blurb saying its a popular drug at "Raves"

This really was bad for people like me who really wanted raves to be about the music, and I got angry at people for bringing drugs to parties, and eventually, I became quite reputable for my attitude towards these people who only helped enforce the stereotype.

Basically, I said "Shit on this" and left the scene for good.

Recently, my girlfriend wanted to go to a rave (which, by the way, they don't call them raves up here anymore because of the social stigma, they are just "electronic music events") so we went, and its was rather expensive (25$, 2 people 50$, also a 40 minute drive) and was shut down by the venue owners due to people, of course, being idiots and smoking weed in the open, or being high as a kite on other drugs as well.

This was 1 year after I had parted myself from the scene because I saw where it was headed, and I didn't want to be associated to it in any way.

recently, a news story came through detailing a drug bust.

http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=45760
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927961/

More details emerged on a local forum, and turns out, it was a promoter of some of the more recent raves (ahem, Electronic music events) in the area.
Also, many of the people I had grudges against got arrested as well.
Basically, it was a long time coming.

Of course, i took the opportunity to speak my piece on the article saying yeah, its not cool to have the drugs associated by genre.

Then when all the details started emerging that it was actually tied very closely to the scene that I had left behind, I was actually starting to defend the correlation the media had made, because you can't stereotype something if people aren't making it true in some way.

Of course, I get lambasted being told by people who were actually there, and arrested, that I should shutup, that they hope that I die, etc.. blah blah

and that.. get this... I SHOULD LIVE IN REALITY, before making my judgements.

Coming from people who are reported as being too high to realize what was even going on, i found this ironic.

OK, now, sorry for the long post.

now onto the beef.

Basically, as I said, I play a lot of games, and the argument has come up that *I* am the person being hypocritical because the games i've been playing for years, are escapism, and the drugs that I look down upon are escapism.

lets face it, yes, drugs are here to stay, and yes, there is an industry, I would say there is a distinct different between the 2 types of people where 1 would be a pharmacist, and the other one, a drug addict.

Heres the different in my mind, for one, there aren't schools teaching people how to be addicts, how to deal drugs, how to get arrested for doing drugs.

There are schools that teach medicine.

I'm not going to deny that some people can get so caught up in games that they lose sense of themselves (to the point of dying sometimes) but in the same sense. what about me? I want to make this stuff? I want to join a team, who's job it is to take someones vision and make it real. To me, its the new hollywood, It's not directing a movie or writing a book, its making a game.

So, really, whos they hypocrite here?

11-14-2005, 05:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
Shauk Confused Adult Location: Spokane, WA	Settle this argument. Ok so... I'm not sure where to put this thread, this seems like the best bet. A little about me. 26 male. Will be re-enrolling into a school for game design and the like. Have always been very interested in gaming platforms as a powerful tool to create worlds and overall, convey content. As such, I play PC and Console games quite regularly as my "offtime" hobby. I'd like to think of myself as fairly stable. I have no problems meeting my bills, I hold a car payment on an $11,000 sedan, have been in a relationship with my girlfriend for 4 years, we also live together, and have pretty much settled into making long term plans with eachother. Now. That aside. I'm also very interested in electronic music (as it is often used in games, but I tend to like the more orchestrated music these days) and the more I researched it as I was growing up, I found out about the rave culture and the fact that these were like Concerts, except, actually for electronic music instead. Perfect, just what someone like me would like to go to. I also took up the hobby of DJing, released plenty of Mix cd's and the like, had a solid base of people who really enjoyed what I did. fast forward 5 years later. I've pissed everyone in the local area off with my rejection of thier attitude that the music is secondary, and after getting to know a lot of people over those 5 years, seeing a lot of them burn out on drug use. I've never taken drugs, and I have a very strong stance against them being tied to the music scene as "Genre specific" Example, if someone has a news story on "Exstacy" it will always be followed up with a blurb saying its a popular drug at "Raves" This really was bad for people like me who really wanted raves to be about the music, and I got angry at people for bringing drugs to parties, and eventually, I became quite reputable for my attitude towards these people who only helped enforce the stereotype. Basically, I said "Shit on this" and left the scene for good. Recently, my girlfriend wanted to go to a rave (which, by the way, they don't call them raves up here anymore because of the social stigma, they are just "electronic music events") so we went, and its was rather expensive (25$, 2 people 50$, also a 40 minute drive) and was shut down by the venue owners due to people, of course, being idiots and smoking weed in the open, or being high as a kite on other drugs as well. This was 1 year after I had parted myself from the scene because I saw where it was headed, and I didn't want to be associated to it in any way. recently, a news story came through detailing a drug bust. http://www.kxly.com/common/getStory.asp?id=45760 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9927961/ More details emerged on a local forum, and turns out, it was a promoter of some of the more recent raves (ahem, Electronic music events) in the area. Also, many of the people I had grudges against got arrested as well. Basically, it was a long time coming. Of course, i took the opportunity to speak my piece on the article saying yeah, its not cool to have the drugs associated by genre. Then when all the details started emerging that it was actually tied very closely to the scene that I had left behind, I was actually starting to defend the correlation the media had made, because you can't stereotype something if people aren't making it true in some way. Of course, I get lambasted being told by people who were actually there, and arrested, that I should shutup, that they hope that I die, etc.. blah blah and that.. get this... I SHOULD LIVE IN REALITY, before making my judgements. Coming from people who are reported as being too high to realize what was even going on, i found this ironic. OK, now, sorry for the long post. now onto the beef. Basically, as I said, I play a lot of games, and the argument has come up that I am the person being hypocritical because the games i've been playing for years, are escapism, and the drugs that I look down upon are escapism. lets face it, yes, drugs are here to stay, and yes, there is an industry, I would say there is a distinct different between the 2 types of people where 1 would be a pharmacist, and the other one, a drug addict. Heres the different in my mind, for one, there aren't schools teaching people how to be addicts, how to deal drugs, how to get arrested for doing drugs. There are schools that teach medicine. I'm not going to deny that some people can get so caught up in games that they lose sense of themselves (to the point of dying sometimes) but in the same sense. what about me? I want to make this stuff? I want to join a team, who's job it is to take someones vision and make it real. To me, its the new hollywood, It's not directing a movie or writing a book, its making a game. So, really, whos they hypocrite here?