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Originally Posted by pressureguy
Yes, but Sakuraba and Wallid Ismael used Gracie Jiujitsu to beat Gracie Jiujitsu, so what does that prove exactly?
Of course Sak did not train in Gracie Jiujitsu, but he studied the tapes of fights, learned their moves, and used basically their moves to fight them. Now, if Sak would have beaten them four years earlier, it would have been more impressive, but he had years to observe and prepare.
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While I agree that Sakuraba is vastly overrated (because his showmanship clouds people's opinions), he most certainly did not use BJJ against the Gracies. He was well-versed in catch-as-catch-can wrestling, which is basically submission wrestling. Ken Shamrock has the same background and it is not the same as BJJ.