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alansmithee · 09-22-2005, 12:24 PM

About spanish language vs. english language? It doesn't matter who speaks it the most natively, it matters the economic power of the countries where that language is spoken. Even assuming spanish is the most spoken language, the countries that primarily use it aren't economically dominant, so english is safe (as an aside, some of the business programs at my school have communications requirements that have portions that can be satisfied with a language-not spanish. Japanese and german are the languages. Why? Because (aside from english) those languages are the most relevant in the business world and in economics).

As for the wave of (illegal) immigration coming from latin nations, i'd rate it in the top 3 of problems that I see the country having currently. It is a large drain on society, and also horribly effects the job markets of those who can least afford it (the lower classes). By having a large pool of cheap labor, it undercuts minimum wage/labor laws and helps bring down wages in general for those who lack college education. I remember some research I did on the subject, and the gov't outlay on average for latin american immigrants is around $7,000 iirc (this means that on average, the gov't loses $7,000 per latin american immigrant in the form of tanf, medical aid, schooling, etc after taxes). I think they were the lowest in regards to this. It wouldn't be so much of a problem, if not for the fact that many dont' seem to desire to actually become part of America, and just want to reap any financial rewards. And we aren't getting the best, we're getting the dregs. And honestly, the country doesn't need more dregs, we have our own to deal with.

It's obvious that the border needs closed. I'd put up a large electric fence, and withdraw many of the nat'l guard from around the world to patrol it's border (I remember Pat Bucchanon talking about this during one of his presidential bids. The nat'l guard idea is also gaining some traction). Unfortunately, like with most economic issues, Bush's policy on this is totally wrong.

And as for just adapting, and native populations fearing change, etc. This situation is different from other immigration issues because we share a largely open border. I'm sure the problem might have been larger with earlier populations had there not been an ocean separating us, but that's not the case with most of Latin America.

09-22-2005, 12:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
alansmithee Junkie	About spanish language vs. english language? It doesn't matter who speaks it the most natively, it matters the economic power of the countries where that language is spoken. Even assuming spanish is the most spoken language, the countries that primarily use it aren't economically dominant, so english is safe (as an aside, some of the business programs at my school have communications requirements that have portions that can be satisfied with a language-not spanish. Japanese and german are the languages. Why? Because (aside from english) those languages are the most relevant in the business world and in economics). As for the wave of (illegal) immigration coming from latin nations, i'd rate it in the top 3 of problems that I see the country having currently. It is a large drain on society, and also horribly effects the job markets of those who can least afford it (the lower classes). By having a large pool of cheap labor, it undercuts minimum wage/labor laws and helps bring down wages in general for those who lack college education. I remember some research I did on the subject, and the gov't outlay on average for latin american immigrants is around $7,000 iirc (this means that on average, the gov't loses $7,000 per latin american immigrant in the form of tanf, medical aid, schooling, etc after taxes). I think they were the lowest in regards to this. It wouldn't be so much of a problem, if not for the fact that many dont' seem to desire to actually become part of America, and just want to reap any financial rewards. And we aren't getting the best, we're getting the dregs. And honestly, the country doesn't need more dregs, we have our own to deal with. It's obvious that the border needs closed. I'd put up a large electric fence, and withdraw many of the nat'l guard from around the world to patrol it's border (I remember Pat Bucchanon talking about this during one of his presidential bids. The nat'l guard idea is also gaining some traction). Unfortunately, like with most economic issues, Bush's policy on this is totally wrong. And as for just adapting, and native populations fearing change, etc. This situation is different from other immigration issues because we share a largely open border. I'm sure the problem might have been larger with earlier populations had there not been an ocean separating us, but that's not the case with most of Latin America. Last edited by alansmithee; 09-22-2005 at 12:27 PM..