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Originally Posted by highthief
They also altered the rules quite a bit. A good submission expert will almost always win if the fighters, once down on the ground, are allowed to remain there. In the early UFC days this gave a big advantage to the Gracies. Now, fighters are made to stand up if the ground fighting is going nowhere, which is an enormous disadvantage to the BJJ guys versus more rounded fighters and strikers.
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Yes, that's true too, but you can't deny that most fighters also had no clue about submissions in the early days. Vale Tudo rules were novel in the early 90s, but for a few reasons, I'm glad they're gone.
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Originally Posted by Salomon
I read about his fight with Sakabura...it went something like 90 minutes right? It's interesting to hear that the sport of MMA has evolved to the point where the top guys in the UFC for example are expert both in striking from their feet, as well as the groundwork. I'm a big fan of Matt Hughes in this respect, not so much Chuck Liddell. I've never seen Liddell on the ground - a great striker no doubt, but I wonder how his Wrestling/Jiu-Jitsu skills are...
Not heard of Fedor Emelianenko...he looks tough.
Anyone know if the Gracie/Sakabura fight is on VHS/DVD anywhere?
Are Emelianenko's fights on video?
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Liddell has a good submission defense and he actually wrestled in college so he can handle himself on the ground long enough to get back up (which he also does really well.)
If you browse the Fight Finder at
Sherdog, you can find the records of all fighters and the corresponding events of each fight (of which most are on DVD). Definitely check out some Emelianenko fights. His fights against Herring, Nogueira, Coleman, Fujita, Randleman, and Cro Cop showcase his array of skills.
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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
but him in a street fight with Mike Tyson.
It would last seconds
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Nice troll bait. Although Tyson has a decent standing kimura for a boxer, his game is pretty limited. When he visited Tito Ortiz backstage once, he made it pretty clear that he wouldn't want to mix it up with those guys.