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Old 06-09-2005, 03:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
pan6467
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Originally Posted by j8ear
Fresh filtered drinking water is not an entitlement as far as I'm concerned.

Nor is running water, electricity, or being taught to read and write.

Voting and religion are rights I EARNED by paying taxes and immigrating to a country that garuantees these rights. They are not entitlements either.

You have no clue the difference between an entitlement and a right, I guess.

The second law you quoted seems to make a distinction. I am entitled to certain rights because of the citizenship I earned. That's about it.

Zen_tom's "very orwellian" comment becomes even more apt.

-bear
No need to get personal.

I disagree, rights given by God therefore become entitlements. Paying taxes has nothing to do with whether or not I have the right to vote, speak my opinions, practice my religion etc.

To say I am only guaranteed rights if I pay taxes is NOT what this country is about, regardless of how some in the GOP may feel about that.

That's the whole purpose of the Bill of Rights. It is to say NO MAN MADE government should ever infringe upon what God has given each of us.

I also disagree about education. If a country does not freely educate its people it will never advance to it's fullest potential.

This is where the Right loses me. I truly don't understand how people who grew up taking full advantage of the items they call entitlements now feel these things need to be taken away or changed to accomodate only their side.

That was my purpose for this thread, I want to understand why this has become acceptable and seemingly the Neo-Con battle cry. "Do away with all that made us great and that we were able to take advantage of, the future citizens aren't entitled to any of the things we were...... well we weren't entitled to them BUT we got them because .... well...... down with entitlements.

I'm looking for why this is an ok attitude for some, so much so that even free clean air and the basic necessities of life are considered "entitlements" and therefore "bad".
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