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Old 05-08-2005, 10:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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There are a lot of different directions in there, hard to follow one and then switch to another. But lets see here.

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The most tragic event in the human kind history was the Russian Revolution 1917. A great nation that made its first steps onto the next level of the economy formation was formed into a totalitarian state, tens millions people were jailed or killed. Without that terrible event, today Russians would be the most advanced nation in the world, both economically and culturally.
I dont know about that.
1) The Revolution was bad... but to say it was the most tragic event ever is far fetched.
2) The Russians were EXTREMELY backwards and lagging behind at the time of the Revolution. I think what you're talking about is how a true communist state was turned into the Soviet system. I'm not going to get into it on how socialism does/doesn't work.
3) To say they'd be the most advanced nation in the world is far fetched as well. Almost all of the technological development boom in Russia (and admittedly America) occured because of captured Nazi scientists. There is no way they'd have been able to do it in a vacuum.

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Today attempts are made to put the USSR in one line with the Nazi German. And that is wrong, they were not equal. The horrible monster - USSR fought with the entirely unprecedented - the Nazi German.
The Nazis were not entirely unprecedented. Inquisitions had been going on in Europe for well over 1000 years by that point, mainly aimed at Jews. The extent of the slaughter in numbers may not have compared, but the percentage was very close in some parts of Europe.

I do see the Soviets as equal to the monster they fought. It's not hard to see that more people died in Siberia than in concentration camps.

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German didn't turn into Nazi in a vacuum. German was allowed to become it. It was a hope that German will turn against the USSR and will stop the expansion of the USSR.
I haven't seen any evidence of the European leadership stating anything like this. If you look at the English Prime Minister at the time, though, he was very leanient on the Germans because he believed that the Treaty of Versailles was too strict. He knowingly allowed Hitler to come to power, and break the treaties regulations time and time again. However to say this was to put a cork on the Soviets would be extremely difficult to prove.

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You might not believe it, but consequently to it, England and USA went into the active war with the German very late.
Really? Cause England was involved in war with Germany long before Russia was.

America had gone through a isolationalist movement after WWI. They didnt see it as their business.

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Today an attempt is done to hide it all, to blame the USSR, to force the attention unto the fact of conquests that were done by the USSR.

Mind exist in order to find a ways. All the awful costs just weren't necessary, but some minds are very sophisticated.
Huh? EVERYONE knew that Germany and Russia would go to war. Their governments were polar opposite, and had stated (even during the non-aggression pact) that their government sought to see an end to the other.

And who's hiding anything? It's pretty common among historians that the American leadership did not like the Soviet system. Why? because they stated that they sought to spread communism accross the globe. Yes the US/UK military planned to let the Germans and Soviets "bleed themselves white", and anyone who studies history knows that the Soviets played a MAJOR role in being an attrition sponge before the other allies even landed in Normandy.

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And shame on the USA and England which allowed the Nazism to grow and today attempt to hide it. Shame on the Estonia, were the former SS people who slew the Russian civilians are now heroes.
The US was not THE major world power at the time. It minded it's own business (something we apparently get attacked for wether we do it or take a proactive role). You should throw shame on the European leadership that was litterally next door to all of this and had much more of a vested interest.

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Today many countries express compassion to the Estonia which was conquered by the USSR. I feel no sorry for the Estonians. Besides the Estonian SS that killed Russian civilians, just after the Nazi began their attack on Estonia, the Estonians killed most of the Estonian Jewish.
So what about those born afterwards. When they could be shipped off to Siberia for little or no reason? No freedoms to speak of... you dont feel sorry for those people cause of what their elderly did?

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