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Originally Posted by william
It's not entrapment, because the offender knows he (she) is breaking the law. Finding a $20 bill on the ground is luck. Not the same thing. Another anology of entrapment (NOT) is an undercover cop sitting next to you at a red light, revving his engine. Light goes green, and you take off. He pulls up behind you w/lights flashing. You knew it was wrong to speed, but you chose to do it. It becomes entrapment when you [U]have knowledge of your actions. A john knows he's breaking the law by soliciting a prostitute. Red-light racer knows he's breaking the law by taking off and moving at 60 in a 35.
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I agree with MrSelfDestruct here. Entrapment is when a cop incites you to do something illegal that you would not normally do. In your example of "not" entrapment I could easily make the argument that the undercover cop revving his engine next to me had made me concerned for my personal safety or that of my wife. Hence my acceleration away from the light was an attempt to evade an aggressive driver and preserve my life and property.
Similarly, the undercover female cop who offers you a BJ for $5 is inciting you to do something illegal. I agree that the bike "sting" I referred to above is a grey area of entrapment. The youth could have as easily left the bike where it was. I still think that it is a shitty use of public funds and police time.
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Originally Posted by sob
I couldn't disagree more with your post. "Sees this bike and decides to go for a ride," my ass. What if I leave my bike in my front yard? Does that mean it's open season for anybody who'd like to "go for a ride?"
/threadjack off
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If you live in a lower income neighborhood and you leave your bike, not in the front yard, but leaning against the concrete pole of a deserted building at 2 AM, do you think that it would be there when you get back? Not that it should be that way, but the reality is that a bike wouldn't stick around for long. There isn't any proof that the kid was stealing the bike. Maybe he was going to ride it to the police station to turn it in.
I guess you would have had to see the show to see how predatory the cops were being. It was like they were fishing for these poor kids and the bike was the bait. Then they would pounce on them in some cases physically tackling them to the ground. It was terrible.
I would rather see my tax money being spent to provide bikes to kids and adults in low income areas. As a further aside, I have seen programs like that put into place that really helped some people.