"You ever work in a door?"
Many times, installing speakers, new glass, a power window, power locks, reinstalling the power locks when the first kit failed, realigning the window track. ...you get the idea
"This gains access to a 5 inch deep space, crisscrossed with metal bars that form the door's structure. The shallow ass workspace is filled with *suprise* the WINDOW, crank, regulator, door lock linkege, some wires, bar for the widow to ride up and down, maybe the door has a speaker in it too (I dunno if Saturn puts speakers in the front doors, problably)."
your original answer made it sound almost like you were working on the door without taking the panel off. Yeah, there are some tight spaces in the door, but they're not that big of a deal. Trust me, it's a LOT worse installing 5 radios (stereo, CB, 3 scanners) and trying to wire them all into the cig lighter behind the center console without removing the console!
"I personally would not just tie the windows to the cig lighter. Windows are typically on a 25 amp fuse, the ciggie lighter is usually on a 15."
Good point. I keep forgetting most are 15A because i upgraded my fuse and wiring on the cig lighter to 30A due to all the radios and the stuff i plug into the cig lighter itself.
"I've never seen a spring on a roll up window, ever. But that may just be my inexperiance talking."
Depends on the window. some of the heavier ones have them to assist in cranking them. If I recall the late 80's caravans had them.
"I know the whole dash doesn't come apart, but I knew that Saturn puts the window switches in the center console."
Well, but he's installing the switches himself. No need to run them to the console. He can stick 'em whereever it's easiest.
"The routing of the wires is a neat, or messy, as he wants to do. Generally the lower parts of the dash are coming off to ensure a clean, professional wire run."
You can, though I've never had bad results by crawling under the dash and securing the wires with zipties. Those ones that come with the stick on base work very well in just about any location.
"shakran, instead of having a positive tone that actually helps nuggetman, I get a tone from you indicating your goal is simply to disagree with and discredit me. You did remember the holes in the doors, I forgot, good save. "
Apologies if I came off that way - - didn't mean to. My goal was just to add info. I'm not out to discredit anyone.
"The new door panels add to his cost. Now he's got to find the same color doors, and hope they match. The sun will fade every car differently, and it *might* be a pain. Either way, they won't be given away, so nuggetman, keep punching that wallet."
Well, yeah, they will but if he doesn't want ugly holes he's gotta do it. Door panels usually don't fade too badly. The biggest problem is rips in the material from the seatbelts. If you pick the door panels up at a junkyard it'll be a lot cheaper, especially if they let you pull it. Also, I believe there are a LOT of saturn clubs around--usually car clubs get deals or just give away parts to fellow owners.
"It's all too common on the internet to simply reply "no, you're wrong." Personally, if I am wrong, I like to know. This isn't one of those times."
You weren't wrong, you just left some stuff out