Zenir

Thank you Carn for making our point.

I already find that in conversations and life there are too many miscommunications, how does making something short-hand alleviate this situation. I have spent my life trying to understand people and find it quite rewarding, however I have a strong feeling that cursing will often times dredge up adrenaline and a modicum of offensiveness. Not necessarily aggression but merely a reddiness for opposition.

Most taboos have reasons behind them. For example, Jews don't eat pigs, this is reasoned from the fact that pigs are one of the few animals who carry diseases which are a contagion for humans also. Most taboos originate from some original point, although it may not apply now, they are firmly rooted and it takes time to exterminate the whole.

While I see the value of the arguement made here, it is somewhat obvious that shit has moved far beyond the limitations of simply disposing bodily waste. It has an imennse amount of meanings and probably has been used for the second most amount of words with fuck taking first.

I am going to hope this is a serious misunderstanding. It is bad enough to make me feel somewhat dumbstruck. So then is serial murder, multiple-personalities (possibly considering yourself to be someone who is long dead for example), suicide, phobias (fear of things such as air, water...), psichosis and perhaps walking into walls all good things built up deep within ourselves. These are all different things that have developed through mankinds developement. Most of these are generally caused (as we understand for the moment) by misfirings of the mind and geneological disorders. Tourettes also generally causes people to twitch and cunvulse. It can cause people to curse incessently, however this is shown in people who have already gained an understanding of curse words and are used to replace the incessant yelping and barking sounds generally made.

TexanAvenger made an example of how expletives are used to explain emotions and that the best way to get rid of them is to over use them. I find this a little obscure. First isn't the idea of conversing about exploring emotions and developing an understanding of the emotions we have, isn't cursing quite the same as simply raising our voice then (in concurrence with his argument.) Secondly, to get rid of something you don't have to desensitize and over-use something. Murder/suicide has not lost it's sting because it is common in society, nor would it if it happened all the time. People may become numbed to the feeling, but I would rather have my feeling and not have to shut myself off.

To me curse words lose their value from their extensive use. I agree that there is no reason to limit your vocabulary simply because of what others think. I for one tend to be somewhat of a different thinker from reality, and to help back this you can chat with me, check my posts, or simply notice that the mainstream now is to curse. Cursing isn't so taboo now as it was at any time in recent history. I would like you all to take a look at Stompys' second post on this thread. One arguement is that the curses are being ostracized, however this seems to be the inverse relation. Curse words and other expletives are simply the bastard words of English. Yes, expletives are english, or we wouldn't have a word for words that mean nothing, the main problem is that although they do add emphasis, excitement and 'flavor' to an explanation, it is a bit lacking in definition. Perchance, take 'fuck you'. There are many ways this could be usid, sometimes there is the lurid side, the crude/cruel side, emphatic, vengeful, departing and tons more. Although I agree 'Fuck you' is one of the more ambiguous statements, most statements involving expletives as critical points in their explanation lose the preciseness. An argument isn't lessened for the curse word. Something obviously can not naturally be less than itself. You may attempt to percieve it as so, but that is simply a personal bias or prejudice and no act of the subject. Often times though if an explanation were given then both parties may come to a better understanding suchas maybe the person hearing how the used-car dealer would take advantage of customers. Often times it is taken for granted that other people understand or atleast get a gist of what the speaker is saying and can therefore act on it. However more often then not people are left with too little information. It is simple to notice how one-sided a cursing conversation can go. This is due to the fact that there is no actual facts backing up the idea or solid statements by which someone defend or oppose your claim and so often times it is left hanging or ignored.

To be honest one of my biggest fears is of someone in an emergency situation who can't/hasn't/won't tell me how they got hurt because tehy are busy cursing or simply cursed and didn't explain the accident.

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