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Old 01-07-2005, 08:53 AM   #8 (permalink)
Yakk
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The current donations now stand as follows:
First, for Canada, you forgot debt relief and provincial donations.

Are you including private donations or not? You don't appear to be

Second, 500 million in a loan isn't the same as a 500 million grant.

One should look at the rates Indonesia offers for 10-40 year bonds, and you should be able to figure out what the 'real value' of that 500 million dollar interest-free loan is.

(For example, a loan of 500 million dollars to austrialia, interest free, that is due back 100% in 10 years, is worth only 178 million dollars. Such a loan due back in 40 years is worth about 414 million dollars. Such a loan where half is due back in 25 years, half in (edit) another (end edit) 15, is worth about 373 million.)

Hmm. Actually, given the credit-worthiness of Indonesia, a 500 million dollar interst-free 10-year loan is almost a 500 million dollar grant. . . Still, would be interesting to work out the solution.

In USD, in non-corperate* donations: (from wikipedia)
1> Germany: > 992 > 0.49% of GNP
2> AUS: 913.8 1.6% of GNP
3> USA: 752 0.07% of GNP
4> EU: 615
5> Japan: > 500 > 0.115 of GNP
6> World Bank: 250
7> Norway: 245 1.11% of GNP
8> UK: 241 0.13% of GNP
9> India: > 183 > 0.3% of GNP (87% going internally)
10> Canada: 162.45 0.264% of GNP
11> Sweden: 140 0.465% of GNP
12> Netherlands: > 186 > 0.44% of GNP
13> Italy: > 125 > 0.085% of GNP
14> Total Corperate: > 121
15> Taiwan: 110 0.34% of GNP
16> Switzerland: 109.8 0.35% of GNP
17> Saudi Arabia: > 97.4 ? something like 0.03% of GNP
18> HK: 57.5 0.36% of GNP
19> France: > 57 > 0.03% of GNP
20> Finland: 33.7 > 0.2% of GNP

The total pledged from all EU nations now stands at over 2.5 billion US dollars (!)

* Corperate donations have some locality issues. Most listed on the Wiki are American.

Per-capita, the top 10 nations are Norway, Australia, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Qatar, Netherlands, Hong Kong and Canada.

The drop off per-capita between the top two (Norway and Australia) and the rest is huge: 54$ and 46$ for Norway/Australia vs 16$ for Denmark.

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Personally, it disgusts me that some people are treating the aid for this disaster as a competition. It's not a race.
If it takes a race to save millions of lives, I'll cheer. If it takes a race to generate 4 billion dollars in aid -- do you have any clue how many lives and how much suffering 4 billion dollars will save -- then your disgust isn't worth considering.

The lives saved matter. If you consider the way the lives where saved to be tasteless, then go eat tasty cake -- cake is supposed to be tasty. Aid is supposed to save lives and end suffering, not cater to a sense of decorum.

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Overall I'm quite impressed with individual countries (minus Arab oil countries) as well as individuals themselves. From the nobodies like me to Michael Shumacker (10 m) to Hollywood stars. I just hope that this continues not only for this tragedy but for all the others that have unfolded over decades rather than minutes.
Qatar did good, and Saudi Arabia isn't the bottom of the barrel.

You must realize, most of the middle eastern states are not all that rich, even with their oil revenue, compared to the first world.

On a per-capita basis, the two richest middle east states are UAE and Qatar. They rival New Zealand -- and there are more Kiwi's than both of those nations put together.

After them comes Isreal, Kuwait -- both of which are simularly postage-stamp sized.

Saudi Arabia and Oman have per capita GDPs that rival Lithuania and Estonia and Hungary and Poland. Saudi Arabia has fewer people than Canada, and Oman is another postage-stamp sized nation.

The middle east is poor, for all it's oil wealth.

Edit: Some spelling mistakes, and one fix
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