Thread: And so it goes
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Old 11-07-2004, 03:27 PM   #10 (permalink)
Mephisto2
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I have no idea what you mean Seaver.

Are you saying that Philip and/or Alexander did not consider themselves Greek? That they didn't become Hellenized?

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"For I (Alexander I) myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery." (Herod. IX, 45, 2 [Loeb])
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"Tell your king (Xerxes), who sent you, how his Greek viceroy (Alexander I) of Macedonia has received you hospitably." (Herod. V, 20, 4 [Loeb])
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"Now, that these descendants of Perdiccas are Greeks, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know." (Herod. V, 22, 1 [Loeb])
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The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos"
(Thucydides 99,3 (Loeb, C F Smith)
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"But Alexander (I), proving himself to be an Argive, was judged to be a Greek;
so he contended in the furlong race and ran a dead heat for first place."
(Herod. V, 22, 2)
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"The Macedonian people and their kings were of Greek stock, as their traditions and the scanty remains of their language combine to testify."
` {John Bagnell Bury, "A History of Greece to the Death of Alexander the Great", 2nd ed.(1913)
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"Clearly, the language of the ancient Macedonians was Greek"
{Prof. John C. Roumans Professor Emeritus of Classics Wisconsin University}
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"There is no doubt, that Macedonians were Greeks."
(Robin Lane Fox "Historian-Author" In Interview with newspaper TO BHMA)
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The speech of Alexander I, when he was admitted to the Olympic games "Men of Athens...
Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Hellas I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself Hellene by descent, and I would not willingly see Hellas exchange freedom for slavery....
If you prosper in this war, forget not to do something for my freedom; consider the risk I have run, out of zeal for the Hellenic cause, to acquaint you with what Mardonius intends, and to save you from being surprised by the barbarians.
I am Alexander of Macedon."
(Herodotus, The Histories, 9.45)
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During the late fourth and the third centuries, in the wake of the conquests of Alexander the Great, Greek culture spread of an area immeasurably larger than the old "Greek world" as Herodotus or Thucydides or even Aristotle would have conceived it;
(Michael Crawford, David Whitehead - Archaic and Classical Greece, pg 16)
It could be argued that the Macedonians did not consider themselves "Greeks" until at least the times of Philip II and his son Alexander, but certainly thereafter they did. Furthermore, the fact that the Greeks themselves now consider them (as I said above) as progenitors of current Greek cultural identity is enough in itself. Additionally, when you consider that historical Macedonia is mostly in the national terroritory of the Greek Republic, you should be able to accept the basis for this assertion.

I'm not really sure I understand what you're calling "bullshit".

The fact that Alexander became Hellenized? Well, self-evidently he did.
The fact that historical Macendonia is in Greece? Well, self-evidently it is.


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