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Originally Posted by aliali
O.K. here's why those things have to be in the constitution to have legal effect. The constitution is the rule book. The government is otherwise soverign and can do whatever the hell it wants. A whole bunch of people agreed to this over 200 years ago and the only way we can change it is by amendment or revolution. It's great to talk about what you or I may think about life, liberty, and other such stuff, but ultimately, it is the constitution that grants those rights that cannot be abridged by legislation or ballot initiative. I don't believe the right to gay marriage, and a lot of other things are in there. Others disagree. The problem I am seeing in these threads is the contempt for the majority and a misunderstanding of their power. There are a lot of things that the majority can do in this country. That's why elections are important.
If the argument is why the majority would do such a thing as ban gay marriage, I really don't have an answer. The majority gets a lot of things right and wrong and there is always disagreement. However, I cannot understand how anyone could be surprised by the votes on Tues. You get one state supreme court from Mass. that makes a decision out of the blue that arguably impacts every state (full faith and credit) that is terribly bad law and horribly unpopular. If one wants to push for gay marriage, the exact wrong way to go about it is to have four very liberal judges change the rules and ignore the law rather than trying to change minds. Then you have a number of mayors in other states go around and blatantly ignore the law. This isn't a discussion, it is arrogance. And it doesn't win friends and influence people.
Incidentally, I don't care one way or the other on gay marriage.
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I understand why the constitution is there and what its purose is. I am not disputing that. I am not trying to argue anything really, I am trying to make a point, which apparently didn't come through very well, because everyone is still getting hung up on the gay marriage part of the post which was simply to help the point I was trying to make. This post was not to argue about anything. It was to try and get people to look at the larger picture.
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Things like this take time. Look at the last 5o years, Blacks fought to be thought of as equals, before that they were equal with dirt (sad to say). Look how long it took for the blacks to truly be equal, and they were not thought of as equal by our founding fathers.
So, I think that all you need just to wait it out. Social progress takes time, and we are at the best we have ever been in the history of our species. Yes there is going to be hate and fear everywhere, but you can not make people accept everyone. The future is bright in civil rights, but it will take time.
But not to sound too harsh, it doesn’t help your argument to through a fit because others don’t agree with you. One day all will be equal, and while you ask for respect you must give it first.
For the record I would like to keep marriage a man and woman ideal, but I can not oppose it on others, I feel that it is sad that they are taking a intuition that has been apart of religion my religion and others and destroying what is was meant to be.
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Apparently you didn't get my point either... I am not throwing a fit because others dont agree with me (I probably shouldn't have used the profanity, but it felt right when I was writing it). I dont even know if others agree with me, which was why I posted this.. to see who does or does not and what they think about it. This was not about the gay marriage, I used it to try and add to the point I was making. There are plenty of other threads about that topic.