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CunningLinguist · 10-10-2004, 12:55 PM

How badly should I pick this apart? I'll start with stating, once again, that I don't condone it and I'm certainly not saying that in some cases it's extremely risky, but... The first link require membership, no thanks. The second one is full of holes. You can twist a study to show anything you want. Have you heard that driving deaths in general are on the rise? That's funny, cause there's more drivers on the roads now...

"The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia says that from 2000 to late 2002, 86 people between the ages of 18 and 21 were killed in car crashes in that province. Most of the crashes involved high speed."

"In one case, 18 year-old Steven Francisco was struck and killed by an SUV that lost control and jumped the curb on a residential street in Scarborough. At the time, Francisco was walking home from school – the same one attended by the SUV driver. The driver was charged with criminal negligence causing death."

"Since 1999, four people in Saskatchewan have been killed as a result of street racing. Street racers going more than 50 kilometres over the limit can be fined about $400."

"Involved high speed." That must mean street racing, right? No one would ever excessively exceed the speed limit otherwise, right?

Um, an SUV? Surely he was street racing!

Four people in 5 years! They'll have to import youngsters from other communities to ensure a future, won't they? Do I even need to look up other death rates in Saskatchewan?

Funny how must of these involve loss of control in some regard which isn't a direct result of racing. Unless you want to say that any time you're exceeding the speed limit, even if you're late, you're racing... Racing the clock?

"So you're saying that my pulling on to the highway as a law-abiding driver creates the same risky environment..."

Perhaps you misread what I stated. You said that street racing increased the risk of harm to those around you. I said that driving at all increases the risk of harm to those around you... So stay the hell off the road!

"If you are arrested and convicted then the law says it's your fault..." Interpret your 'facts' anyway you want. Nowhere does the law state that if you are street racing and someone gets hurt, it's your fault, as you stated, PERIOD.

"People try to say that they know how to race safely on the streets..."
Once again, there is a calculated risk. If it's too risky, I won't do it. I, personally have had many more close calls with tractor trailers than I have with 'street racing'... Outlaw them!

Virtually none of the information you have included has shown that these deaths would not have been caused if the person wasn't racing another car. Losing control, running a red light, crossing the line, etc... All due to driving too fast, or racing in the strictest sense of the word. Does a 2nd car instigate it, sure, but does the 2nd car cause it? No.

You still seem to think that I'm telling everyone out there to jump in their car and push it well beyond it's intended limits, which I am not. I just busted a 350Zs ass last night, I'm still here to talk about it. Until you can look me in the eye and tell me that you have never excessively exceeded the speed limit I'll call you a hypocrit and tell you to thump your bible at someone else. I'm not saying it's not risky, I'm not saying it's not fair to the innocents who get hurt, I'm certainly not suggesting that it be legalized or condoned in any way... What I'm saying is there are much more just causes to fight that kill many more people every year and the youthful population isn't plummeting to the degree that some agenda driven individuals would have you believe. Funny that I didn't see you chime in on the "top speed" thread that so many people have posted to.

10-10-2004, 12:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
CunningLinguist Upright	How badly should I pick this apart? I'll start with stating, once again, that I don't condone it and I'm certainly not saying that in some cases it's extremely risky, but... The first link require membership, no thanks. The second one is full of holes. You can twist a study to show anything you want. Have you heard that driving deaths in general are on the rise? That's funny, cause there's more drivers on the roads now... "The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia says that from 2000 to late 2002, 86 people between the ages of 18 and 21 were killed in car crashes in that province. Most of the crashes involved high speed." "In one case, 18 year-old Steven Francisco was struck and killed by an SUV that lost control and jumped the curb on a residential street in Scarborough. At the time, Francisco was walking home from school – the same one attended by the SUV driver. The driver was charged with criminal negligence causing death." "Since 1999, four people in Saskatchewan have been killed as a result of street racing. Street racers going more than 50 kilometres over the limit can be fined about $400." "Involved high speed." That must mean street racing, right? No one would ever excessively exceed the speed limit otherwise, right? Um, an SUV? Surely he was street racing! Four people in 5 years! They'll have to import youngsters from other communities to ensure a future, won't they? Do I even need to look up other death rates in Saskatchewan? Funny how must of these involve loss of control in some regard which isn't a direct result of racing. Unless you want to say that any time you're exceeding the speed limit, even if you're late, you're racing... Racing the clock? "So you're saying that my pulling on to the highway as a law-abiding driver creates the same risky environment..." Perhaps you misread what I stated. You said that street racing increased the risk of harm to those around you. I said that driving at all increases the risk of harm to those around you... So stay the hell off the road! "If you are arrested and convicted then the law says it's your fault..." Interpret your 'facts' anyway you want. Nowhere does the law state that if you are street racing and someone gets hurt, it's your fault, as you stated, PERIOD. "People try to say that they know how to race safely on the streets..." Once again, there is a calculated risk. If it's too risky, I won't do it. I, personally have had many more close calls with tractor trailers than I have with 'street racing'... Outlaw them! Virtually none of the information you have included has shown that these deaths would not have been caused if the person wasn't racing another car. Losing control, running a red light, crossing the line, etc... All due to driving too fast, or racing in the strictest sense of the word. Does a 2nd car instigate it, sure, but does the 2nd car cause it? No. You still seem to think that I'm telling everyone out there to jump in their car and push it well beyond it's intended limits, which I am not. I just busted a 350Zs ass last night, I'm still here to talk about it. Until you can look me in the eye and tell me that you have never excessively exceeded the speed limit I'll call you a hypocrit and tell you to thump your bible at someone else. I'm not saying it's not risky, I'm not saying it's not fair to the innocents who get hurt, I'm certainly not suggesting that it be legalized or condoned in any way... What I'm saying is there are much more just causes to fight that kill many more people every year and the youthful population isn't plummeting to the degree that some agenda driven individuals would have you believe. Funny that I didn't see you chime in on the "top speed" thread that so many people have posted to. __________________ Jason 94 3000GT VR4 (12.67 @ 105.93 & 12.802 @ 109.40) 04 EVO VIII