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Willravel · 09-25-2004, 05:21 PM

The biggest thing that will help us (America and it's people) to enter back into the good graces and a faborable opinion in the world will be both time, and our actions speaking louder than words. We clearly have a severe problem with lies and half truths. Weapons of mass destruction, conections between the (former) Iraqi government and the attacks on September 11th are things that I wish we could take back, but we can't. Our government lied. Many people are being and have been hurt by those lies. Our government needs to take responsibility for their actions and apologize to everyone who was hurt by their decision. I know this will not bring those wrongly dead back to life, but we have to start somewhere. The old way that governments worked, imperialistic, self serving, untrustworthy, is over. This world requires true allies and true moral and ethical leadership. Only one man in the 9/11 commision actually apologized for their obvious failing. We need more of this, and less 'axis of evil' talk that misleads the hearts and minds of the American people. The citizens of Iraq deserve their freedom, and I understand that Saddam is a very disturbed individual who did not deserve to rule anything. Now, unfortunatally, we have anti-American soldiers hiding among civilians. People who disregard the rules, be they rules of engagement, or rules of morality, have the advantage.
We won the Cold War. We had opratives in every branch of the Russian government and spies everywhere getting intillegence on everything. We were at the top of our game. Now the world has changed. Russia is actually one of our allies. Our only true threat is independant factions and terrorist groups. These work in completly different ways than governments. We need to adapt. We need to have our opritives working secretly in cells and gathering intillegence just as they did back in the Cold War. We had a serious hand in the creation of several terrorist groups. We are responsible.
Iraq was obviously a mistake. It felt like Waco all over again. In Waco they originally went there to serve a subpena. Then the ATF showed up with armed forces. They exchanged fire and lost, then the FBI came there and we all know what happened next. They said they were there to 'rescue the children'. How noble. Now in Iraq, we went there originally to get the weapons of mass destruction. None there! Now we say we went there to free the Iraqi people.
This has to stop.

09-25-2004, 05:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	The biggest thing that will help us (America and it's people) to enter back into the good graces and a faborable opinion in the world will be both time, and our actions speaking louder than words. We clearly have a severe problem with lies and half truths. Weapons of mass destruction, conections between the (former) Iraqi government and the attacks on September 11th are things that I wish we could take back, but we can't. Our government lied. Many people are being and have been hurt by those lies. Our government needs to take responsibility for their actions and apologize to everyone who was hurt by their decision. I know this will not bring those wrongly dead back to life, but we have to start somewhere. The old way that governments worked, imperialistic, self serving, untrustworthy, is over. This world requires true allies and true moral and ethical leadership. Only one man in the 9/11 commision actually apologized for their obvious failing. We need more of this, and less 'axis of evil' talk that misleads the hearts and minds of the American people. The citizens of Iraq deserve their freedom, and I understand that Saddam is a very disturbed individual who did not deserve to rule anything. Now, unfortunatally, we have anti-American soldiers hiding among civilians. People who disregard the rules, be they rules of engagement, or rules of morality, have the advantage. We won the Cold War. We had opratives in every branch of the Russian government and spies everywhere getting intillegence on everything. We were at the top of our game. Now the world has changed. Russia is actually one of our allies. Our only true threat is independant factions and terrorist groups. These work in completly different ways than governments. We need to adapt. We need to have our opritives working secretly in cells and gathering intillegence just as they did back in the Cold War. We had a serious hand in the creation of several terrorist groups. We are responsible. Iraq was obviously a mistake. It felt like Waco all over again. In Waco they originally went there to serve a subpena. Then the ATF showed up with armed forces. They exchanged fire and lost, then the FBI came there and we all know what happened next. They said they were there to 'rescue the children'. How noble. Now in Iraq, we went there originally to get the weapons of mass destruction. None there! Now we say we went there to free the Iraqi people. This has to stop.