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cmc · 09-04-2004, 07:12 AM

So here is a great consideration: according a large number of Christian Religions, God is all powerful. Ok. God creates only like Himself. God is not a 'sinner'. Ok. God created me. Therefore I cannot be a sinner. ( makes sense so far)

Jesus is God like, as you and I, because of who created us and therefore what we are. Backtrack -when Moses received the 10 C's - there was no retribution in them, anywhere. IE - a list of directions, without 'penalties'. Simply - Love God, Love your neighbor, etc.

In Jesus walk - He never called anyone a 'sinner' There was directions to 'repent' which simply means 'choose again'. When I choose to think / act / feel without love ( meaning I'm using the thought system based on fear) - His direction is not to punish me, rather to simply repent, or choose again. And start by seeking God, then loving my neighbor. Finally, the whole weird idea that God sent His 'only Son' - does that mean the rest of us are fatherless bastards ? I think not.

And why would God, who is only of Love, want to have His Son crucified ? Why would - how could God be motivated to pay this demand for ransom ?

And who would He pay it to ?
Who is bigger than God ?
Do I believe Jesus was sent here to die for my sins ? Of course not.

I am not a sinner and he therefore does not need to 'pay' for my sins.

Who would he be paying them to ?

And if, as Jesus directed ' judge not ... pull the plank from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from your brothers eye ? who could decide that I had 'sinned' ? God - I think not. The 'devil' ( live spelled backwards) ? I know not. Jesus ? He judged no one. Who ? The 'Church' ? maybe ... and if loosely the 'church' then maybe I can be scared to 'pay' them for my 'sins' Not !

How about this: God created us to Love and be Loving. Their are 2 thought systems. The first is based on fear. The second is based on Love. We can easily relinquish the first and then accept the 2nd. The peace of God is my only goal. From there Life is now, life is love, and kindness, peace and beautiful co-creation is our natural inheritance as the effect of God's love and creation.

'Give up your dreams of sin and guilt and come with me instead to celebrate the resurrection of God's son. And bring with you all those whom He has sent to you to care for as I have cared for you'. Jesus of Nazareth.

09-04-2004, 07:12 AM	#37 (permalink)
cmc Crazy Location: usa	So here is a great consideration: according a large number of Christian Religions, God is all powerful. Ok. God creates only like Himself. God is not a 'sinner'. Ok. God created me. Therefore I cannot be a sinner. ( makes sense so far) Jesus is God like, as you and I, because of who created us and therefore what we are. Backtrack -when Moses received the 10 C's - there was no retribution in them, anywhere. IE - a list of directions, without 'penalties'. Simply - Love God, Love your neighbor, etc. In Jesus walk - He never called anyone a 'sinner' There was directions to 'repent' which simply means 'choose again'. When I choose to think / act / feel without love ( meaning I'm using the thought system based on fear) - His direction is not to punish me, rather to simply repent, or choose again. And start by seeking God, then loving my neighbor. Finally, the whole weird idea that God sent His 'only Son' - does that mean the rest of us are fatherless bastards ? I think not. And why would God, who is only of Love, want to have His Son crucified ? Why would - how could God be motivated to pay this demand for ransom ? And who would He pay it to ? Who is bigger than God ? Do I believe Jesus was sent here to die for my sins ? Of course not. I am not a sinner and he therefore does not need to 'pay' for my sins. Who would he be paying them to ? And if, as Jesus directed ' judge not ... pull the plank from your own eye before you attempt to remove the speck from your brothers eye ? who could decide that I had 'sinned' ? God - I think not. The 'devil' ( live spelled backwards) ? I know not. Jesus ? He judged no one. Who ? The 'Church' ? maybe ... and if loosely the 'church' then maybe I can be scared to 'pay' them for my 'sins' Not ! How about this: God created us to Love and be Loving. Their are 2 thought systems. The first is based on fear. The second is based on Love. We can easily relinquish the first and then accept the 2nd. The peace of God is my only goal. From there Life is now, life is love, and kindness, peace and beautiful co-creation is our natural inheritance as the effect of God's love and creation. 'Give up your dreams of sin and guilt and come with me instead to celebrate the resurrection of God's son. And bring with you all those whom He has sent to you to care for as I have cared for you'. Jesus of Nazareth.