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Originally Posted by rukkyg
Go right ahead. Just don't expect anyone to hire anyone who graduated from that college. Don't expect any federal funding or support from the college board or similar institutions either. And rightly so.
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Why do you say that? First, people who might be inherently racist would hire those people above anyone else right off the bat. Not that it's an argument FOR such an institution, but it immediately shoots down your argument. Secondly, why should that matter? Look at the Ivy League schools. They are EXTREMELY primarily white, it doesn't stop people from hiring out of them. I don't understand the argument you make.
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Originally Posted by rukkyg
The average black man will never make as much as the average white man until average white men are forced to hire them and pay them as much as they pay themselves.
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Ahh... well, maybe in America. Remember, this problem does not plague black people the world over. Besides which, women complain about the same thing. But aside from minimum wage laws, there are no laws which require blacks or women or any other set or subset of "minorities" to get paid any certain amount. Again, not sure what this has to do with the initial argument. However, I'd have to disagree with you anyhow. If you are black, and get a Harvard law degree, you will make the same nice six figures that the white guy did and the asian guy did. If you're black and you get a Valvoline certification in Oil Change Mechanics, you'll make the same chump change that the white guy or the hispanic guy doing the same thing will. *shrug* I think your argument stems solely from perspective.
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Originally Posted by rukkyg
Although I have no idea what your argument here is, I will say that ignoring the conquered is the biggest mistake you can make.
When the Roman empire was half the world, every part of the empire was equal. Most people probably didn't notice the difference (except perhaps religious belief enforcement.) That empire lasted a long time.
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I'm not saying to ignore them. I'm saying to not treat their third and fourth and fifth (and further) generation decendants specially. That a) promotes hatred (or dislike) with some because it IS unfair and b) is a poor use of government funds and tax dollars.
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Originally Posted by rukkyg
Blacks and other minorities can have their little scholarships and television channels. Who do you think gave it to them? Other blacks? The people in charge (rich white men) gave it to them. They encourage things like BET and rap music that segregate the country and keep black youths thinking that reading isn't cool.
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Hmmm, so you just upended your own arguments as far as I can tell. If this is the case, I doubt the rich black men (rap musicians, producers, et cetera) are terribly upset about it all. So then by allowing them to be "special" they continue segregation? That was MY point to begin with. Allowing groups of people to have special situations only widens the gap between people. That's what I was arguing against the whole time. Maybe you and a few others thought I was arguing FOR proprietary white supremacy groups. If that's the case, you'd be dead wrong. I'm arguing AGAINST any special considerations for ANYONE, including white, middle-class males aged 18-36 (or whatever the stupid demographic is).
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Originally Posted by NoSoup
As far as the original posters sentiment regarding "conquered people" I would have to agree.
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NoSoup, I know you wrote a lot more, and I enjoyed reading the post... this was just my favorite part!
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Originally Posted by NoSoup
As far as that quote goes, however, African American is likely on of the most retarded Policially Correct terms out there. First off, it assumes that they are an American - I had a black friend of mind from London and he was pretty incredulous that he was suddenly an "African-American".... secondly, it assumes that they trace their heritage back to Africa. That same friend traced his history back as far as he possibly could and it seems that his family began in Europe.
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Well, this is true, but as I mentioned, black people throughout the world tend to get much LESS hassle then black people in America. The anti-black sentiment is much stronger here, and if your friend from London disagrees, have them live in Alabama or Georgia for a few months then ask again. I think PC is bullsh*t anyways, I just used it for the sake of the post and nothing more. If you're offended by the N word or anything else, get over it. A friend of mine (white female) teaches at a charter school in Detroit. A black student called her (in an angry fashion) a cracker. She had never heard the term, brought it up to another teacher and was informed of it's "derogatory" nature. The student got suspended. The end result is... WHO CARES? If I call you a dick-headed, retarded, fascist piece of crap, the only reason it might offend you is because you choose to let it. Get over it?! I know, neither here nor there... just another irritating thing that helps keep people apart.