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Old 05-05-2003, 06:07 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Mael you're really becoming a pain in my ass; not just because you're wrong, but because you have little ability to understand what I'm talking about.

1) The point I was making about biking being better than running as a means to lose weight and trim your waist was 1) because the things are in fact the most important muscle group in your body to keep in shape for overall circulation, whether you want to believe it or not; and 2) since it's lower impact, less people are likely to do damage to their joints (suchs as their ankles, kness and hips) and therefore be able to stick with the workout regimine. Do some more research on running (other than Runner's World magazine), and you'll see it's actually one of the most stressful exercises you can put your body through. 3) The point wasn't even to compare running or biking as which was better, but to give a suggestion as to what sort of cardivascular exercsies they could do.

2) What I said to Anon about his own ability to build muscle had nothing to do with my own or the majority of Americans. Most people are endomorphs (look it up) and therefore, like myself, respond better to higher reps and lower weights. I personally didn't begin to really grow until I quit trying to bench so much weight that I could only do 6 reps, and instead reduced the weight to the point that I could do 10-12 reps. That being said, that's not even the point of what we're arguing about. Your muscles work to pump blood back to your heart, just as you mentioned. The thighs are without question the largest muscle group in our bodies and they are responsible for a lot of overall circulation. Therefore, keeping them toned is more important than concentrating on any other muscle group in your body. Now before your brain begins to once again misunderstand my clear logic, I am not saying that you shouldn't try to toned/build all your other muscles, I'm just saying that the thighs are the most important for overall circulation.

And, yes, toning is a form of building muscle. You may not get large amounts of mass, but you will keep the muscles in top shape.

3) Yes, I know the psoas is also used for hip flexion, but again you missed my point. The fact that the psoas "flexes the vertical column" is the problem. This is what causes back problems in people who over-stress that muscle group.

4) You want a reference? Go do a Google search and swim in the reference pool that you'll find. I'm not even going to comment on your last statement of back problems due to flexing the hip. That's the stupidest comment I think you made throughout your enitre argument.

5) Yes, let's devide our abs into two sections....FOR CONVERSTION SAKE!!! Also, the lower section, along with the hip flexors, will be worked better by doing the exercises I suggested for it. Just doing regular crunches will hit the lower section of the abs and hip flexors, but barely little as compared to how much it will work the upper section of your abs.

6) I was trying to be descriptive. If you tell someone to use their abs to lift their knees to their chest, they will immediately concentrate on contracting the abs instead of simply swinging their knees up by means of their hip flexors.

7) Arched = backwards, rounded = hunched forward. That's all the elaboration I'm giving. If you need more help with it, then head back to school.

8) If the point of reducing waist size is why you're working out, then over-working the obliques is not something you want to do. They will in fact make your waist thicker which most people don't want. They are great muscles to have build for a specific reason, such as strength and stability during football or other sports, but most people wouldn't want these muscles over-built.

9) I'm sticking by what I said. You're simply trying to be argumentative.

10) Fuck, you're right about the hamstrings. Pat yourself on the back.

11) The gluteus maximus is a very large muscle, and does, in fact, aid in extending your hip forward. Do more research.

12) I said "knee" because I meant "knee".

13) Both directions just like I said. You are misinformed.

14) I wasn't even going to bother responding to you until I got to this unbelievably, mind-boggling bit of nonsensical rambling. An open-joint movement is one where the upper and lower bones in your leg begin to separate. This begins to happen past the 90° mark when your knee thigh and calf are perpendicular. I did not mention even one time anything about open/closed chain movements.

15) ...not gonna bother...

16) No, they don't disappear. The leverage isn't there because the bones aren't actually in contact with each other.

17) I said "tendons" because I meant "tendons". (On a side note, I'm really glad I don't know you in person.)

18) I don't do squats because I'd rather not risk a back injury. I did not tell others that they can't do them, I just said I won't. I think my 15 years of skateboarding did a good enough job teaching me how to balance, buddy.

19) Move the weight as slow as you want and enjoy yourself, but you're not going to be blasting your fast-twitch muscle fibers while you're pretending you're a little snail. Slow, deliberate movement stresses your slow-twitch muscle fibers, while faster movements, such as sprinting, etc., will bring the fast-twitch fibers into play. Personally, my body is made of more fast-twitch than slow-twitch. I know this because I can sprint like a MoFo and always have been able to. On bike rides where I ride 40-50 miles at a steady pace, thus burning out my slow-twitch fibers, I can still sprint up the last hill near my house as though I just stepped onto my bike fresh. It's important, for overall muscle growth, to work both slow and fast-twitch fibers.

20) If you want to walk around with straight knees, then go right ahead, but I prefer to keep my knees ever so slightly bent when I put my body weight on them.

21) You're right; one muscle, two heads. And I don't need a leeson on what they do since I already mentioned it.

22) When I'm working my biceps, I'm don't give a shit about working my forearms; concentrate on one thing at a time. By keeping the wrist back, you put more leverage on the biceps, thus keeping the force of the weight on it. If you bend your wrist forward, the force of the weight will nearly disappear at the top. I've done this for years, as have many other educated people. I would't have used the methor or suggested it if it was wrong or could cause injury; you can "think" anything you want.
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