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Originally posted by bad30th
If you had read the entire thread, you would probably know the only reason I made that comparison was because I was responding to someone else's comparison.
And I find it funny how everyone is so quick to proclaim their problems with their GM cars, but no one will say anything of their problems with their BMWs. Why? GMs are supposed to break, BMWs arent, right? So if I have a BMW that is a piece of shit, hell no I'm not going to tell everyone about it, because I when I bought this car, I told everyone that it would break far less than any other car (if at all), so now if I tell people that my Bimmer is a pile, I will be wrong. Cant have that.
Like I said before, I worked on many a BMW and spoke with many a BMW owner. About half of the owners would have you believe that their cars were in tip top operating condition (see above), but it was obvious enough to us that they were not. The other half were pretty cool about talking about what was up with their cars...some of which admitted that they didnt want to fix/maintain certain parts of their car because it was just too damn expensive.
Concerning the site I linked to, Edmunds.com, if you dont know anything about them, well, that sorta tells me the extent of your automotive knowledge. Edmunds is one of the top sources for car ratings. And if you understand anything about the way they rate cars, you would probably know that it is impossible to rate the entire population of a given Make/Model of car. They rate a sample population of that car. So guess what.....that probably means there are some worse than the rating, and some better. Some people call this a normal distribution of a sample.
You have owned 1 Park Avenue, so you automatically come to the conclusion that ALL Park Avenues are pieces of shit? Well, I tend to go with a service like Edmunds that tests a sample of multiple cars to come to their conclusions. You have had bad luck with GM/Buick/Park Avenues, and if you never buy another GM vehicle because of it, more power to you.
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No, My Park Ave is a P.O.S. because it has a 3800 type k motor equipped with a plastic intake manifold.
Yep, a plastic intake manifold.
They put plastic intake manifolds on there cause they are CHEAP, less than half the cost of a die cast aluminum intake manifold.
The mezmos at GM designed the exhaust port from the E.G.R. valve running right into the plastic intake manifold beside the water jacket that pipes water into the the throttle body to preheat the air coming into the plenum.
Over time, the plastic suffers from thermal fatigue and eventually cracks and when that happens, the coolant floods the crankcase, and gets inhaled into the intake stream.
Two things then happen, 1. you suffer "hydro-lock" where the incompressable liquid essentially stops your motor very quickly and bends your connecting rods, or
2. when the coolant mixes with the oil, the resulting viscousity break down causes your big end connecting rods to start to glow (they aren't supposed to do that)
Either way, you (read me) need a new engine in a perfectly well maintained car at 70,000 miles.
If the Mezmo engineers at GM had even THOUGHT of putting a ceramic colar around the EGR stove pipe that leads from the lower intake manifold into the upper intake manifold, this wouldn't happen, OR if the mezmo engineers at GM even THOUGHT of piping the EGR somewhere else, this wouldn't happen.
You think I am the only one who has suffered this problem????
WRONG BOB, there are tens of thousands of us.
Add to this a myriad of other problems and you have a P.O.S.
And I used to LOVE GM's.
Not after I have seen how they are building cars now, and the way they treated me.
You should never assume anything about someone's automotive knowledge. They may not be mechanics, but they may also have been laying under cars since they were 8 years old and done 2 frame offs, and rebuilt several other motors.
In the end, I just sued the bastards.