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Originally posted by Stare At The Sun
^ *sigh* you honda fanboys will never learn.
You're obviously totally ignorant to this. Even though its very obvious that putting a turbo on a car that was not designed for it is stupid. And considering you have to upgrade the internals, fuel system, electronics, etc to do it, you'd be better off putting that $ into a car that can actually be made fast.
Oh, and i'm sure honda is really worried about gas mileage on the NSX, RSX, Prelude, S2000, and Integra. Honda builds high reving NA engines, as bad30th said. s2000 redlines at what, 9 grand? They do not have the internals to do it, and VTEC and turbo's do NOT mix.
And really, anyone that is serious about tuning, unless they want a challenge, does not go with a honda. Your fanboy friends are nothing more than trendy ricers.
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So you think insulting posts will change the truth? Last time I checked, modifying cars by definition is putting stuff on them that they weren't designed for. That's kind of the point of modifying a car - to make it better than it was when it was stock. And again, by your argument, you can't ever use nitrous, because NO car comes from the factory with nitrous. So are all the guys running spray stupid or what?
As for VTEC and turbos not mixing, say it real slowly with me. I never SAID you should put a turbo on a VTEC motor. I specifically said do NOT put a turbo on a VTEC motor unless you're willing to do a lot of work. Did you not read that part, or did you pretend I never said it so you could spray your "fanboy" bullshit a little more? Question: Do you think ALL hondas come ONLY with VTEC? Because there are a LOT of motors from honda that do not have it.
You say Hondas can't be made fast. I dunno, personally I think a streetable 9 second car is pretty damn fast. Especially when it can still get double-digit fuel economy on the street.
You're obviously one of those guys who doesn't understand that some people actually LIKE hondas, KNOW that hondas aren't designed to compete with muscle cars, and actually LIKE the fact that they can corner well. You keep driving whatever the hell it is that turns your crank, and I'll keep driving my hondas. Why do you feel the need to get insulting about it when someone likes a different car than your favorite?
Christ this domestic vs. import driver petty bullshit has gotten old. Sorry, but to be blunt, anyone who can't see that both cars have their advantages and disadvantages, and who can't see liking hondas does not automatically make you a fanboy, or a riceboy, is a moron.
bad30: I get your point. I disagree with your point. It is not a bad idea to add forced induction to a stock internal, stock compression honda, as long as you are not stupid about it and avoid cranking the boost too high.
Of course you're gonna want to up the fuel delivery (usually a fuel pump is all you'll need - you don't usually even have to upsize the injectors - most shops that do the injector and fuel pump end up turning out cars that run WAY too damn rich) but that kinda goes without saying, doesn't it? I mean, you don't say that it's a dumbassed idea to upgrade the brakes on the car just because in order to get the best performance out of them you'll need tires that have good enough grip to make use of the extra braking do you? So yeah, you'll need to get more fuel to the engine because the turbo is stuffing more air in. I thought that was pretty obvious.
Of course making it safe and reliable requires time and knowhow. I thought that also went without saying. Was I wrong? As for money, well hell, you can do it pretty damn cheap. As far as dollars per horsepower, boost is one of the absolute cheapest ways to modify a honda. I mean, you can spend $100 on an intake that gives you maybe 2hp if you're lucky, or you can spend $1000 or so on a supercharger that gives you 40. You do the math.